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Did man and dinosaur co-exist?


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#61    The_Spartan

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 04:31 PM

ok. speaking in layman terms,  some silly questions to Harsh.

You champion Devolution.
So, please tell me, what have Homo Sapiens Spaines devolved from?
Are there any anthropological evidences which leads to  such a higher being?
Do you believe that larger cranial volume means a higher being?

If the older Hominids were higher beings why are there no evidences of their technology or civilizations? since the Anatomically Modern Humans or Homo sapiens sapiens evolved around 200,000 years ago, mostly in middle palaeolithic era, and we have studied and are still studying most of the cultures belonging to  them, where and what are the evidences of the higher beings we devolved from?

What does Cremo say about this?

Does he have the cat -got-his-tongue syndrome when it comes to replying to queries regarding evidences to substantiate his claims?

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 05:05 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 13 September 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

How do you think they date fossils?

First, you gotta find one - usually at a bar like "Johnny's Hideaway" in Atlanta, where Glen Miller music is the featured live entertainment.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 09:36 AM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 14 September 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

ok. speaking in layman terms,  some silly questions to Harsh.

You champion Devolution.
So, please tell me, what have Homo Sapiens Spaines devolved from?
Are there any anthropological evidences which leads to  such a higher being?
Do you believe that larger cranial volume means a higher being?

If the older Hominids were higher beings why are there no evidences of their technology or civilizations? since the Anatomically Modern Humans or Homo sapiens sapiens evolved around 200,000 years ago, mostly in middle palaeolithic era, and we have studied and are still studying most of the cultures belonging to  them, where and what are the evidences of the higher beings we devolved from?

What does Cremo say about this?

Does he have the cat -got-his-tongue syndrome when it comes to replying to queries regarding evidences to substantiate his claims?
I do not champion devolution but i find it interesting.
Who created life or did it evolve is an answer no one can give at present hence i don't know the answer.
It is not only a question of larger cranial volumes when you talk about intelligence but it is widely suggested that it is the 'brain to body ratio' that determines intelligence,but the theory has it's own criticism.The truth of the matter is intelligence and how the brain works are very poorly understood by modern scientist,leave alone memory and how it is actually stored.Talking about the functioning of the brain or intelligence is very premature with our present knowledge of it.
From whom and where modern human beings evolved/or did they really evolve are again questions that are still debated widely and present objective scientific knowledge cannot answer for it without red herrings and vague assumptions,so i suppose Cremo being able to answer for it objectively is not possible.
Like i said when i said i find devolution interesting i meant in it in the form of a devolution from a spiritual to a materialistic existence as suggested by Cremo.But physical devolution (i am just theorizing) Spartan is from Man to monkey and other lower animals for which there are ample 'proofs'(what evolutionist call proof i.e different species showing different levels of complexity).Hence i stated in one of my post about evolution that unless 'evolution of life' is accounted for or experimentally proved i rather believe that humans devolved into other things as it would comply atleast with the second law of thermodynamics.


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 09:40 AM

View PostHarte, on 14 September 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

First, you gotta find one - usually at a bar like "Johnny's Hideaway" in Atlanta, where Glen Miller music is the featured live entertainment.

Harte
Though seriously any opinion on these results,either radio carbon dating can be erroneous at times (often due to contamination) or probably dinosaurs did live 20000 years back.


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 10:04 AM

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Are You Telling Me The Flintstones Were Not Real??!! :cry:
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:59 PM

" did man and dinosaurs coexist?"

Fast and short answer:

No.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:44 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 15 September 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

I do not champion devolution but i find it interesting.
Who created life or did it evolve is an answer no one can give at present hence i don't know the answer.
It is not only a question of larger cranial volumes when you talk about intelligence but it is widely suggested that it is the 'brain to body ratio' that determines intelligence,but the theory has it's own criticism.The truth of the matter is intelligence and how the brain works are very poorly understood by modern scientist,leave alone memory and how it is actually stored.Talking about the functioning of the brain or intelligence is very premature with our present knowledge of it.
From whom and where modern human beings evolved/or did they really evolve are again questions that are still debated widely and present objective scientific knowledge cannot answer for it without red herrings and vague assumptions,so i suppose Cremo being able to answer for it objectively is not possible.
Like i said when i said i find devolution interesting i meant in it in the form of a devolution from a spiritual to a materialistic existence as suggested by Cremo.But physical devolution (i am just theorizing) Spartan is from Man to monkey and other lower animals for which there are ample 'proofs'(what evolutionist call proof i.e different species showing different levels of complexity).Hence i stated in one of my post about evolution that unless 'evolution of life' is accounted for or experimentally proved i rather believe that humans devolved into other things as it would comply atleast with the second law of thermodynamics.

You fundamentally don't understand science - everything from thermodynamics and the basics of biology to what constitutes proof and why science isn't about what you'd "rather believe"; you just don't get it.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 02:05 PM

Dudes I totally just figured it out.  Them there humans were TIME TRAVELERS.  I saw a movie about it one time.  Fluxy capacitatory thingamabob er sumpthin.  Oh and I read a thing on the interweb about it once, so its gotta be true.  *rolleyes*


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 03:31 PM

View Postorangepeaceful79, on 15 September 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Dudes I totally just figured it out.  Them there humans were TIME TRAVELERS.  I saw a movie about it one time.  Fluxy capacitatory thingamabob er sumpthin.  Oh and I read a thing on the interweb about it once, so its gotta be true.  *rolleyes*

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 03:36 PM

Dangit!  They have blocked youtube at my work!  curses.... <_<


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 03:54 PM

View Postorangepeaceful79, on 15 September 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

Dangit!  They have blocked youtube at my work!  curses.... <_<

thats sad cuz the video is very funny :w00t:

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:15 PM

View PostEmma_Acid, on 15 September 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

You fundamentally don't understand science - everything from thermodynamics and the basics of biology to what constitutes proof and why science isn't about what you'd "rather believe"; you just don't get it.
OK.
http://www.godandsci...ml#.UFfILrJlTpo

Edited by Harsh86_Patel, 17 September 2012 - 12:36 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:08 PM

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According to your "beliefs" then bacteria cannot evolve to become resistant to anti-biotics (which of course they do). Also, in your link to yet another Ceationist website Karl Popper is referenced to support your case, but in fact Karl Popper said:

Popper understood the universe as a creative entity that invents new things, including life, but without the necessity of something like a god, especially not one who is pulling strings from behind the curtain. He said that evolution must, as the creationists say, work in a goal-directed way[27] but disagreed with their view that it must necessarily be the hand of god that imposes these goals onto the stage of life.


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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:20 PM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 17 September 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:


Evolution observed in the laboratory

http://www.newscient...in-the-lab.html

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They didn't use thousands of workers - oops forgot about the work camps
There's no evidence for ramps - You found one?...Bummer
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I still say aliens built them!

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 01:22 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 17 September 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

According to your "beliefs" then bacteria cannot evolve to become resistant to anti-biotics (which of course they do). Also, in your link to yet another Ceationist website Karl Popper is referenced to support your case, but in fact Karl Popper said:

Popper understood the universe as a creative entity that invents new things, including life, but without the necessity of something like a god, especially not one who is pulling strings from behind the curtain. He said that evolution must, as the creationists say, work in a goal-directed way[27] but disagreed with their view that it must necessarily be the hand of god that imposes these goals onto the stage of life.
Do you know recent studies have shown that evolution of bacterial resistance to antibiotics never happened,the genes that give antibiotic resistance were found in bacterial cultures taken from very old frozen stocks before we started wide scale use of particular antibiotics.This means that some bacteria always had resistance to these antibiotics and over the period of time our constant use of antibiotics has killed the rest but the one's which 'always had the resistance genes' are the ones alive and multiplying.
Though the example yoiu gave shows that you are ready to think,since you don't like creationist website which have hence 'the bible is right' inference,here are a few more issues you can look into.
http://www.programme...ion_issues.html





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