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#31    the eternal me

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:19 AM

there was another point i wanted to touch on......
but it slipped my mind....
a little later perhaps....

unless we are done on this one?....


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Posted 25 September 2012 - 01:54 AM

right..... now i remember ......

how would we recognise the second coming as such?

i do have to say that there is a big portion of the population of North America that would need some kind of endorsement by some religious leader...

people like Jerry "what’s his name" and the likes.....

or someone like the pope.....

which is kind of an oxymoron i guess you could say....
not sure what the right word would be to use....

but the irony of that is kind of titillating....

and this is just how i see it.....

as far as i have seen with religion....
the same principle of mind frame applies...

"so sayeth the sheepard.... so sayeth the flock"

there is a certain power to this....
and as it has been said many times before....
power corrupts....

if you look at the heads of the different faiths....
you can see where the truth in this is....
while the least of the followers struggles to feed their families...
the leaders live in the lap of luxury....

this goes completely against the manner and reasoning for tithing in the old testament...
which by the way still hold true in both the Quaran, and the Kablah...
and as mentioned, in the bible....

so the leaders of all of these faiths are failing in the first duty of the ones entrusted with the tithe....

would they endorse the person who is there to awaken people to the wonders and beauty within the self?

i don’t think so....

because as people wake up... there is no need for a church...
so they would be out of a job... and they would have to find another way to pay the bills...
not all leaders are like this...

but i am not talking about father Flanagan at the church on the corner....
i am talking about the pope and the people of his ilk....

this is somewhat of a shotgun blast statement...
and i know i am ruffling some feathers...

but .... the tithe is to feed and help the least of the people...
regardless of what they may be suffering...
crops left in the field... so they may harvest and feed their families...
and in return... help with planting the next crop...
not because of some debt to the farmer...
but because the farmer needs help....

as the people pull money out of their wallets today (different aspect, same intent.... like going to the grocery store is the new way of hunting, and gathering)
with the belief that they are helping in some small way...
the money gets entrusted to the partitioner...
who in turn uses the money to pay the bills... and all other expenses with keeping the doors open...
any left should be going to help those in need...
there should be no need for welfare or employment insurance if this was being followed...

but i see on tv... these people who use this money to build bigger and better churches...
in order to get the word out to more people...
and other sorts of reasoning....
but any man in that position who has 2 suits ...
while there is a man on the street that has non, is a hypocrite...

so.....

i don’t think that they would endorse a person who would look at this for what it is ...
and put them out of a job.....

so.....

how would this person be recognised?
how would the people start to figure out who this person is?

actions....

and i am not even talking about large, for the world to see miracles...

but the actions taken on behalf of the least of the peoples...
what they do for and with the least of the people....
not the "leaders" ....

there was a post in this saying they would like to see this person standing before the UN with a thundering voice calling them for what they are...

sure... would be nice...

but as with so many things this day and age....
the reason they are there... is because they supposedly work for "us" ..... the people....

if they work for us?.... then we have the power to take that job away...

such is the same thing with governments of the world...

and then we get into another topic....

how to bring down the system... and the manner in which things are done that we disagree with...

more on this later...

if you care to hear....


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Posted 28 September 2012 - 09:04 AM

imo.... i think it can be done with one simple word and action.....

stop.....

just as in India.... with the words of Gandhi....
they stopped everything....
fighting.....
working .....
paying taxes....
ect ect.....

the British had no choice but to leave...
it was a passive resistance movement that worked....
there was some bloodshed.....
but in the case of any dictatorship.... such is the case...

fear of the results of the actions ....
injury..... or even death....

but when we look at what is happening now in the world...
injury and death are a part of the common mentality anyway....

the fear of being killed by those that want to control what you believe and do....

in north america... we fear the govt.....
should it not be the other way around? ....

are the wars and the drum beats for war not paid for by the money that you pay in taxes? ...

do you agree with what you are being told?

for one person to take a stand and suffer the slings and arrows issued forth by taxation agencies....
makes little difference.....
for large numbers of people to take a stand and stop paying taxes becomes a really big problem....
one that has to be addressed....
if its not addressed... then the problem grows....
the financial difficulties for those that control the flow of money becomes a major vexation....

then and only then will the voices of the least be heard....

time for people to wear the other shoe....

and i say this in a manner that most do not think of...

lets take the situation of 9/11 .... for example....

for the 3000 or so that died that day.....
how many have died in the name of the cause? ...

how many Iraqis have been killed?
women... children..... old... young....
people that never had any issues with the American people...
but ..... now they do....

America has sent its young men to kill indiscriminately...
searching for weapons that never existed....

and now the drums beat to move into Iran.... looking for weapons that don’t exist...
we are talking about a country that had the first successful heart transplant....
the home to the teacher that gave birth to the bahia faith..... (a man of peace)

a country where the poor have a fighting chance to change the situation that they exist in...

i have met many Iranians.... they are a peaceful and beautiful people....

so... for the military to move in and start killing them....
is this not wrong on so many levels?

how long can the armies of dictators move on the innocent with no repercussions?....

i heard it termed like this.....

acts of terrorism are the last act of people with nothing left to lose....
they are backed into a corner....

how many countries and peoples are in this situation?

even in the west...

we don’t see how we are backed into a corner....
financially, and with the state of well being....
we work to pay the bills.....
and the money we make....
some of it goes to pay the people that call for wars to keep business going...
numbers on paper....
money that doesn’t exist.....

distracted and pacified by a culture of entertainment.....
and greed and sloth........

how long can this go on?

what choice has been made to wake the people up?

will it take a nuclear weapon in a major city to do that?

with the Olympics this year....
there was a propaganda campaign that planted the seed of the idea....
most have no idea that it is a part of getting the people used to the idea of something like this happening...
it moves into the conscious mind of the masses....

then ? .....

wars cannot be fought without money to buy bullets....

that money comes out of your pockets.....

the men that hold the guns and kill the fathers, brothers, sons, daughters and parents of the faceless enemy ....

they are the sons that go into  place to be killed to make sure the numbers on the sheets are good enough to show that the country has growth...

nothing more....

its not about freedom....

consumer choice is not freedom...
yet you have the choice of what overview to watch....
what shoes to buy....
what clothes to wear and car to drive....

this is not freedom....

when your opinion can land you in jail, and to speak out makes you an enemy of freedom.....
it makes you an enemy of consumer choice....
nothing more.....

the men and boys that fight and die?
fight and die to perpetuate this ideal....

to bring consumer choice to the people that live on the land....
that have communities that care for each other...
and people that look upon the children of their neighbours as their own...

bring them the latest movies and cars from an opulent culture that really believes that they are the best...
with no experience in anything else....

now i am ranting ....
and i know i will get blasted for some of what i have said....

but i just want you to think for a moment.....

what would happen if everybody stopped paying their taxes?
how fast would things change?

in whatever form you may see the beast of biblical terms...
is this not taking away the power of the body of it?

we are the beast....
without knowing....
we are the limbs that cause the actions of the beast....

you cant take away the heads....
but you can disable the body...
without a body.....
the heads cannot live....


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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:17 AM

The Second Coming Will Be The Annunaki Returning Once Again Either To Completely Destroy Or Save Humanity And The World We Live In ;)

~ Nothing In Nature Is By Chance... Something Appears To Be Chance Only Because Of Our Lack Of Knowledge. - Brauch De Spinoza ~

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 09:22 PM

what about the concept of both?

destroying the manner and way we think and act, that got us in this mess to begin with.....
and saving people from the ignorance that caused it....

reveal the hidden truths, and understanding emerges....

part of the reason that we are in this boat as of today ....

the lack of justice..... justice for those that are right but cant afford the battle of the legal system and courts...

the people that surround us that turn a blind eye....

the inaction of the masses that allow these ways of being to persist...

had the population listened to those that spoke, that were in the know...
we wouldn’t be here....

but it was the agreement of the masses that we have something to learn from this...

and as a population of this planet......

we agreed...

to give our own power away...
to be blinded to the true nature of the self....
accept lies that are meant to control us...

accept the control of an unknowing mass that may have the best of intent...
but does not have the reasoning for the long term effects...

is there anything that is what we would call "bad" .... or "evil" that is not of our own creation?

through inaction.....
ignorance....
selfishness? .....


is it not up to the individual to change what they do to partake?
or to not partake?

turning a blind eye to those in need....
saying "its not my problem" ...
is this not at the root of the homeless problem?

saying "the police should deal with this" .....
is this not at the root of the crime problem? ....

saying "the politicians are taking care of the economy" ....
is this not at the root of the economic crisis? ....

and in the same manner.... everything that is wrong with the world....
is it not our own inaction that has caused this? ....

i have worked some interesting jobs....
and have had the opportunity to hear a lot of different views on things...
one that still sticks in my but is this.....

working a job to pay bills.... and selling a product that was designed to help in a small way...
i talked to a Christian whose reply to "don’t you want to have a choice in a small way to help the big picture?" ...

the reply floored me......
it was said as this....

"we don’t worry about it...  we believe Jesus is going to come back and clean it up for us" ......

i just let it go....

thought to myself....
"wow... that’s messed up.... but that just has to be some kind of response to get rid of me" ...

fine no problem... let it go...

but as time passed and i talked to more people of different faiths...

no....

it wasn’t an off the cuff response....
there are those that truly believe this....

this is like a child saying ....
"i don’t have to clean my room... cause you will do it for me" .....

the mentality of this is astounding....
and way to common....

the child next door....
grows up in a situation where there is abuse and neglect...
and the child has no real sense of community or family...
has no one to talk to....
nobody that sees says anything....

and the child grows up understanding that society as a whole is heartless and cruel...

being of this mind frame...
he finds other kids that have the same kind of background...
and in this they bond....

they hold the view that nobody cares about them....
so they care about nobody else but their little group...
their family....

and thus.... a gang is born...
we have heard on the news about what happens when you get large #'s of people like this together...
a mentality of "**** em all... we are going to do what we want"

where along the line was this ever a police problem?

it is a problem for the community...
to give an ear to hear...
to have a heart to help that child before he finds those like himself...
surrounded by people who turn a blind eye....

in the past 30 years i have seen many things change...
i have seen those that stand up and take notice of these kids..
take notice of the problems... and do something....

these people are just doing what is right....

that is the choice for each of us....

Edited by the eternal me, 28 September 2012 - 09:41 PM.


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Posted 28 September 2012 - 09:30 PM

where i work now is in the middle of one of the worst homeless problems in north america....

i talk to these people....
they have lost hope....

its amazing what a kind word can do....
to those that feel they don’t deserve it....
a kind word is a small miracle....

imagine all the words of hate and anger towards these people...
being turned to a word of kindness.... or just an ear to hear their pain...

what kind of change would that bring? ....

and what would it cost? .....

to bring hope and change to how these people see themselves...
that is the responsibility of each of us....

that is your choice....

a donation to their addiction is not hope...
and that’s not what i am talking about....

remind them that there is help...
that they can pull themselves up from this...

they have lost the belief in themselves...

so a stranger that talks to them and believes they can help themselves makes a world of difference...

there is no easy answer...
no silver bullet of a solution.....

to place the hopes and dreams of change on a single person......
that is a weight that should not be placed upon anyone....

and yet....

in this day and age....
people see that they have a belief in something that may or may not happen...
and place everything on that belief...

and give away their own power for change....

Edited by the eternal me, 28 September 2012 - 09:36 PM.


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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:06 AM

View Postspud the mackem, on 16 September 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

Whoever this person is he/she will probably end up in the looney bin , as there have been many before him/her all professing to be the One, and they all do "time" in a padded cell.If some one came out and said that they were the Lord they would be "classified".They could already be here,Locked up.

there was already a reply with this quote....

but its been bugging me to expand on it....


why would someone want to be the one?

like.... really........

those are some pretty high expectations to be placed on one person...
and not just from one group of people...

but from everyone.....

each with their own opinion of what this person has to live up to....

if you look at what the different faiths believe this person to be....
then it gets pretty complicated really fast....

the Jews have a view on what this person should be like....
the Muslims have a view on what this person should be like....
and the Christians have a 1000 views on what this person should be like....

so all in all....

how can this 1 person be like what anyone expects?

with literally millions of differing opinions.....

why would anyone want to take on such a convoluted challenge?

i can see why anyone claiming to be this person would get locked up...
they don’t have the mental capacity to really comprehend what it is they are claiming to be....
or the danger they put themselves in.....

not so much in the aspect that they would have to fear for their lives...

but more in the aspect of this...

would they ever have a moments rest?

with literally millions.... and getting into billions of people that would be seeking this person out for forgiveness....
and for an answer to any prayer that they may have....
not to mention those that seek the grace of this person for their own benefit...
and all of them wanting a miracle from this person.....

would there be any time for peace?

any time for rest?

any opportunity to take council from those that this person trusts?

i hardly think so....

with billions of people wanting the help of this one person....
how many of them would honestly and sincerely be willing to help the one?

i think the sad truth on this would reveal the true nature of selfishness....

i can see why someone would want to be the one....

to be held above everybody else as special....
and to be praised for the imagined glory that would be associated with this person....

but reality and fantasy start colliding.....

the fantasy that everyone would bow before them.....
the reality that everyone would be seeking proof....

regardless of who or what position they are in....
so many would be seeking this person out to just disprove the one....

make a mockery of this person for the purpose of self indulgence...

the world is full of the self righteous....
while the righteous speak their truth quietly....

how many times have we given in to a self righteous loud mouth just to shut them up?
not because they are right......
but just because we want some peace?

such is the way the political game in governments work...

and with the numbers of peoples on earth right now....
in the billions.....
even a small percent of that number is still in the millions that would be seeking this person out to disprove them...

to be the one to prove the second coming wrong....

prove to themselves before the world, its all just a fantasy....

that would be that larger goal of the ones who would loose their jobs....
the pope along with the other religious leaders....

guys like Jerry "what’s his name" ....
they would have a hard on for taking this person down....

can you imagine the kind of slander campaign that would happen?

that would divide the population into three solid groups...

those that have absolute faith.....
those that have absolute disbelief....
and those that would continue to be the good people they are.....

regardless of what they believe...

it has been written down in more then one faith ....
the second coming is the son of man.....

both a mother and a father....

but yet we are led to believe that this person is somehow magical, and beyond reproach, and fault......

and we forget and loose sight of what it means to be human...

to make mistakes....

to fall in love and have that love be broken....

would this person not go through these trials and tribulations as well?

being the son of man.....

just as we all do?


as i sit and ponder and write about what this person may be....

i cant help but think....

is this person here to help us?

or are we here to help this person?

but that’s just my opinion......

a little thought to ponder....


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:56 AM

the eternal me: so my thought is this.....with the concept of a second coming, and the teachings of such a thing across more then one religious belief system....
what would it look like to you....


Vatic: This exerpt from my book, is exactly what the Seond Coming looked like to me:

“His Sign in the Sky”
It was now December 13, 1978 on a Wednesday. Boyd and I had left work and were
riding home in his pretty black Ford truck with the bright yellow graphics painted all over
it. It was growing dusky as we got off the interstate. We crossed Percy Priest Dam and
turned left off of Bell Road onto Dodson Chapel Road, heading north toward Dad’s
house. I was almost home. As we passed by the Nelson’s mansion, I was thinking about
Boyd going to the Baptist church. I thought to myself that he really should learn the
doctrines of the Churches of Christ. It was Wednesday and there were church meetings
that night.
I turned toward Boyd and asked him, “Boyd, would you like to go to church with me
tonight?”
Boyd appeared thoughtful for a few seconds and then replied, “No, I guess not.”
I left it at that and turned back forward in the truck. Just then I noticed something bright
up in the dusky sky that was beckoning my eyes. It was ahead and slightly to the left of
our direction of travel. I looked up to see what it was. When I set my eyes upon it, this is
what I saw: In the sky before us was a bright white upright oval of lucid light. Around its
perimeter there appeared several rings of light like the effect of a rainbow; auras that I
seem to recall were the colors of lavender and yellow and maybe rose. But I can’t recall
the third color for certain or if there was actually a third color for certain. But the
lavender and yellow were there. Within the oval of white light, there stood a cross of
heavy wood. The grain of the wood was very clear and the cross was gray. The cross
itself was glowing as if it were a hollow plastic imitation wooden cross with fluorescent
lighting inside it. The scene was very clear and distinct as we rode along.
I immediately realized I was seeing another manifestation, and my habit had become to
avert my eyes away from such things. This was no exception and I averted my eyes and
moved my gazing toward the eastern sky. Before the cross left my peripheral vision, it
jumped as if reacting in surprise to my averted eyes, and then chased my line of gaze
across the sky, following my eyes only a few degrees behind my direct line of sight. I
stopped my eyes on the north eastern sky, and immediately the light with the cross moved
directly in front of my eyes. I again averted my eyes all the way toward the north western
sky, and the cross and light again chased my line of sight just as quickly and moved in
front of my eyes again as I looked at the north western sky. I averted my eyes again, but
this time I looked down into the truck at the floor in front of my feet. I noticed the light
with the cross in it, remained in the sky this time. As I sat there I reasoned: “A cross is a
good thing that's about Jesus. I shouldn’t be suspicious of this or refuse to look”.
Reassured, I decided to just look at the cross in the light. I raised my eyes to see the light
of the cross again, and this time to intently observe it. But it was gone! It was replaced by
something else even more wonderful.
“He Lifts Up His Countenance Upon Me”
I looked back into the sky to see the cross and the light. But this time I saw the color of
amber in the sky. It was a broad field of amber directly in front of us. Then I noticed a
conspicuous patch of blue within the amber field in the sky. I focused on the blue area
and my eyes struggled for a few moments to resolve the blue patch into sharp focus. I
studied the blue area and realized as I resolved it, that I was seeing the silhouette of the
figure of a man there within the amber. At first I had trouble understanding the situation
of the man’s figure, until I realized the man was seated waist deep in the amber. The
amber itself was now to me apparently a kind of mist like a cloud. The man was a
silhouette of blue, and the word “sapphire” came into my mind concerning the nature of
the blueness of his silhouette.
As I looked at the man I was meeting the sky, I was in quick cognition that I had just seen
the sign of a cross in the sky as a kind of an annunciation, and the man being announced
was Jesus Christ! I realized I was looking at Jesus sitting on his throne in the amber
cloud. As I realized this, the Lord was listening to my thoughts, and knew when I realized
it was him.
With my realization, the Lord responded in those moments, and he started arising from
his seated position, standing up from his throne. As he arose up in a very natural motion,
he lowered his arms down to his sides and stood there before me. I noticed that he was
robed within the context of his silhouette, and his robe was gathered at the waist. When
he lowered his arms to his sides, the motion revealed that the sleeves of his robe were
belled and they loosely swayed at his sides. His form was apparently average slim as if he
were a man of about a hundred and seventy pounds. His shoulders and stature reminded
me of Rex. I saw no details of his face because it was the same blueness as the rest of his
silhouette. The shape of his head was smooth and round as if he had no hair, or maybe his
hair was oiled down against his scalp. The whole shape of his ears showed clearly on
each side of his head and the view of them was clear and unobstructed. The whole shape
of his silhouette was sharply defined against the amber cloud, except for where his waist
entered the mist, and there it was misty.
As I beheld the appearing of the Lord, meeting him in the air on this amber cloud, and as
I watched the Lord arise and stand before me, and as I was looking directly at him, I
thought about the rude awkwardness of my silence. It occurred to me that I was in the
presence of the ultimate person that anyone could ever meet. I felt like a child before a
hero. I thought to myself, “There’s Jesus and I can’t think of anything to say!” Then I
gathered the situation in my mind again and thought, “Jesus is so perfect and never
sinned and I’m just a sinner!” I suddenly felt some shame and humiliation as I looked at
him and quickly I was too ashamed to look at him anymore. In utter self consciousness I
lowered my eyes down from him and lowered my head in the truck.
I struggled to think of something to say to the Lord. The only thing that came to mind, I
offered to him in a silent prayerful thought, “Lord, forgive me of my sins.” Immediately I
was embarrassed at how redundant this was to say to him, because I had already prayed
about sin and asked his forgiveness a thousand emotionally crushed times already. I knew
with all my heart I was forgiven. I thought to myself, “Good grief! All I can think of to
say is the same thing I’ve said already.” But with that thought, a gracious impression
came upon me. Not in audible words, not even a clear word from the ethereal, but like a
whispered statement into my spirit which was, “I already have.” I took it as a gracious
encouragement from the Lord and I felt better, less ashamed. So feeling acceptance from
the Lord, I ventured to look back up at him. But when I raised my eyes, he was gone!
I was shocked at his disappearance and wished he hadn’t left. Where did he go? Why did
he leave? Was he upset? Then I realized he surely wasn’t upset with me. He just has his
way of doing things is all that his disappearance means. I thought to myself, “Though I
can’t see Jesus now, I still know he’s present and still watching me.” With this
confidence, I directed my thoughts of gratitude toward Jesus.
Everything had happened in a few seconds. I knew I was good at hiding the fact that I
was seeing spiritual manifestations. I looked over at Boyd as he drove along, and realized
he had noticed nothing at all. I looked down the road and immediately I wondered if the
world was going to start burning up. “Was this the Second Coming?” I asked myself. I
couldn’t understand the event from anything I had read. I was wondering why I wasn’t
arising into the sky. The Lord had arisen to stand, but I didn’t arise at all. I had met the
Lord face to face and He was in the air in a great amber cloud, but I stayed on earth. I
was confused and silent. What did it all mean?
Within a couple of minutes, Boyd let me out at Dad’s house. I hadn’t uttered a word of
anything about seeing Jesus to him. I walked across the yard and went into the house. I
saw Mom, but held back from telling her about what I had just now seen. It was very
dusky now.
Somehow it all made sense that all the terror, all the manifestations, all the conflicts and
trials, and all the harsh teachings of the angels that I had gone through, was leading up to
this event: the Appearance of the Glory of the Lord. I was happy the journey had found a
destination. I had been brought along to be ready to meet the Lord. I had a lot to be
grateful for. I was still an emotional wreck, but I knew I was blessed beyond all
imagination. I offered thanks to God, for Jesus my close companion!
The starry angels were still all about me. Among them I knew was the one that accused
me. But I knew I had a constant companion. My faith in Him had caused my fear of the
angels to subside to a great degree. They could still mess with my head, but I largely
ignored them and tried not to converse with them. Life was now going to move along
under these encouraging circumstances.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 02:46 AM

The second coming? Mass suffering, armaggedon, the rapture, the judgement. For what purpose?

I have to ask, why do some people actually look forward to it? To make a seemingly meaningless life more meaningful, just because that person believed?

The people that believe in God, believe that God gave us free will. As well, the people that don't believe in God also believe that we were born with free will.

Believer or not, we were born with the free will to make this earth, or our own little corner of it, a better place.

If we each did our 'job', according to our conscience, we could have "heaven on earth". It's so simple, yet so complex.

If, as a species, we can finally forgo concepts of religion, race, class, borders, cultural differences etc... and throw that dirty laundry aside then, I think, we will become what we most want to be.

I reiterate... 'The Second Coming' - angry God comes down and smites the unbelievers. Or, humanity comes of age (grows out of our snotty tempermental adolescence) and finally 'grabs a brain'.

I lean towards the latter. :)


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 02:58 AM

View PostDarkwind, on 16 September 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

He comes and takes  all the Christians, Jews and Muslims and we Pagans dance naked on the beach.  ;)
Gimme a time & date, I'll be there. I'll bring my caldron.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:04 AM

View PostRon Jeremy, on 17 September 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Wholesale genocide of billions of unbelievers. Like you and me.
If I believed that, then I'd be a believer. It's much more fun to think outside the box. what if Soupy Sales was the one who came back to save us all, and started throwing cream pies at everyone, and the ones who got grumpy about it stayed behind? Ever read George Bernard Shaw's short story, Aerial Football? It's a classic story about heaven.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:35 PM

View Postthe eternal me, on 16 September 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

with the concept of a second coming, and the teachings of such a thing across more then one religious belief system....
what would it look like to you....

The coming of Jesus Christ in judgment, according to the Olivet Discourse and the Book of Revelation, to me looks like the destruction of Jerusalem and national Israel in 70 AD. The many comings of God throughout history has had the physical expression of rousing the hearts of one people/nation against the wicked people/nation that are receiving the judgment. For more explanation on the apocalyptic language the Bible uses regarding a "coming of God", please read: http://livingtheques.../coming-of-god/

Howard Storm who had an NDE and got a FAQ session with Jesus, asked something like why God just didn't turn the sky into neon colors and write all over the sky "believe in God or else.." and got the response that God is very active in the world today. His work method is stirring people's hearts into action. When a wicked people rise up to power, say the nazis, God stirs the hearts of other people to judge the wicked. God is in us, all of us. It's just that not all of us are aware of that fact and walk astray and do wicked because of our blindness. If someone has eyes to see - really see what humanity and the whole universe is - they wouldn't do wicked because that would be like hitting yourself since someone who has their eyes opened will see that we're all one. If one part of that whole is out of balance, the whole is affected and will take measures to restore balance. Judging the wicked isn't wicked in itself, it's just a drastic, last resort. Rather, letting wickedness run rampant without counter measures is wicked. But grace is always extended first. It's better to cure an in-flamed limb through giving it time to heal in "fire"/fever than to take drastic measures and cut it off before it threatens the life of the whole organism.

In the NDE of Howard Storm, Jesus also said that he wouldn't destroy the physical planet Earth and wouldn't allow for a nuclear war to cause that destruction. The future isn't going to be high tech, but rather back to harmony with nature where humans can control the weather and grow enough food for themselves and their families and heal the sick. Reminds me of the Hopi Way of Life.

I used to have an Earth burning, total and global war scenario as my vision when I thought about the Second Coming of Christ, desperately hoping for a ticket out of it through the rapture as it was taught to me in church. But since the past couple of years as I learned these things I have found peace in completing my walk on Earth, aiming for the vision of going back to balance with people and nature. God will continue to "come down from heaven" and judge us if we go astray and don't heed the warnings. I will pray for my nation and the nations of the world that our eyes will be opened so that we can all walk the Way of Life and avoid further judgment. As it is now, there are many inflamed limbs in this world, burning. Even though I live in a peaceful part of this body/planet, I pray that the inflamed limbs will find healing as it's hurting me too, indirectly, as a part of the body.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:00 PM

Today I want to express that many people don't really undestand what the second coming of Jesus is like, or what it is about. if you really want to know what His appearing in the clouds looks like, you can read the descriptions of the "Appearance of the Glory of the Lord", which are recorded all through the Old Testament. Jesus is the Appearance of the Glroy of the Lord, and his Second Appearing is exactly that very same thing.

I am thinking of the signs fo the times and Israel is the sign nation. With this in mind I want to show everyone something I found today, which is prophetic in nature. It is a vidoe of an old Orthodox Jew who names the messiah and talks about when the Messiah will reveal himself to Israel to confirm the Covenant. I personally am taking this prophecy seriously becasue of what I already know. But if you want to know yet another sign of Jesus Appearing to redeem Israel, watch this video:


Edited by Vatic, 14 October 2012 - 10:01 PM.





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