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#31    Supersquatch

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 04:15 PM

I thought the theory was we evolved bipedality to see over the grass. Another theory, though, is Maxine Sheets-Johnstone's sexual selection hypothesis.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 01:43 AM

I think it has something to do with the ancient humans having a huge fascination with the stars and spent a lot of time staring and learning, standing upright would have been a lot easier to view the sky, just a personal theory that makes sense to me.

I think it has something to do with the ancient humans having a huge fascination with the stars and spent a lot of time staring and learning, standing upright would have been a lot easier to view the sky, just a personal theory that makes sense to me.


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Posted 23 September 2012 - 03:52 PM

View PostTaylor Reints, on 22 September 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

I thought the theory was we evolved bipedality to see over the grass. Another theory, though, is Maxine Sheets-Johnstone's sexual selection hypothesis.

I have a somewhat different theory.

Apes and monkeys (like many humans,btw) love to spy on a couple 'making love'.

But when walking on all fours between tall grass they'd have to come very close at the risk of being chased off, and by that spoiling all the fun.

So standing upright did have an advantage. Another one was the 'free hands', heh.


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Posted 23 September 2012 - 04:00 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 23 September 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

I have a somewhat different theory.

Apes and monkeys (like many humans,btw) love to spy on a couple 'making love'.

But when walking on all fours between tall grass they'd have to come very close at the risk of being chased off, and by that spoiling all the fun.

So standing upright did have an advantage. Another one was the 'free hands', heh.

Reminds me of the guy in one of my anthro classes who did his paper that the developement of agriculture was spurred by mans quest for better beer

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 04:04 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 23 September 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

I have a somewhat different theory.

Apes and monkeys (like many humans,btw) love to spy on a couple 'making love'.

But when walking on all fours between tall grass they'd have to come very close at the risk of being chased off, and by that spoiling all the fun.

So standing upright did have an advantage. Another one was the 'free hands', heh.

However, if it was bipedal, the couple could see the monkey thing! Not a particularly good adaptation.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 04:08 PM

View PostThe Mule, on 23 September 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

Reminds me of the guy in one of my anthro classes who did his paper that the developement of agriculture was spurred by mans quest for better beer


Lumping it all together you get something like this as the causes for our evolution from ape-like ancestors::

Walking upright (voyeurism in tall grass);
Agriculture (having a beer before the 'act' or while watching it);
Fire (having a smoke afterwards).


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Posted 23 September 2012 - 04:11 PM

View PostTaylor Reints, on 23 September 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

However, if it was bipedal, the couple could see the monkey thing! Not a particularly good adaptation.

I dunno, but I tend to be quite focussed when in the act...

However, I think I would notice someone sitting next to me, but not someone spying on me from 150 feet distance when I am busy with my girlfriend.


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Posted 23 September 2012 - 04:12 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 23 September 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

Lumping it all together you get something like this as the causes for our evolution from ape-like ancestors::

Walking upright (voyeurism in tall grass);
Agriculture (having a beer before the 'act' or while watching it);
Fire (having a smoke afterwards).

Don't leave out tool use, crafting restraints for those who like a little kink....

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 04:41 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 23 September 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

I dunno, but I tend to be quite focussed when in the act...

However, I think I would notice someone sitting next to me, but not someone spying on me from 150 feet distance when I am busy with my girlfriend.

Ahh...

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 05:17 PM

View PostTaylor Reints, on 23 September 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

Ahh...

Would you?

I am willing to give an example of what I experienced....

How shall I post this without being banned for eternity?

OK, here it comes.

There was this neighbour and she and I had just met. She had thanked me for helping her out once (she couldn't get inside her house, keys inside her house on a table, but I was able to open her door anyway, heh).

She gave me a copy of a CD, "Anastasia's" first album, as a present.

So we talked and talked and... talked,,,...and....then she really said she was glad she had found an excuse to finally meet me and have a private chat with me (the time I was able to open her door, she was with her mother).

OK, so the wrestling started. Clothes everywhere, well, you know, like the end of the earth is at hand and you still have something urgent to do...

Then there was this open window, she grabbed to lower edge of the windowframe, letting her long black hair dangling outside the window, waving to and fro at the rhythm of my ...uhm.. probing and taking samples for further research (or something, whatever).

Next morning I met an old neighbour of mine who lived opposite my house, in a 3 story building, and asked me, "Hey neighbour, that neighbour of yours, you are really pleased by her, eh??"

And he had a big fat smile from ear to ear.

At first I wondered why he said that... but then I knew.

Hmmmm...

I had not seen him watch us because we were too busy with our research.

And another day I met him again, and this is what he said: "You know that I am Italian. When I saw what I saw I was kind of happy, but not because I am some peeping-tom. We Italians like this spectacle, it makes us forget about all the sh1t going on in the world, and that some things will - glad to say - never change. But there were like 4 other neighbours complaining about what they saw the two of you do. Damn pricks."





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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:45 PM

The album I talked about is from the American (Jewish??) "Anastasia", a blond, white woman, often wearing shades, and singing with an African woman's voice.

I loved it, and nothing like the present Russian AnastaCias with their shrill high pitched voices that make my eardrums crack.

It was from the early 2000's.

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Edited by Abramelin, 23 September 2012 - 07:46 PM.


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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:05 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 23 September 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

Would you?

I am willing to give an example of what I experienced....

How shall I post this without being banned for eternity?

OK, here it comes.

There was this neighbour and she and I had just met. She had thanked me for helping her out once (she couldn't get inside her house, keys inside her house on a table, but I was able to open her door anyway, heh).

She gave me a copy of a CD, "Anastasia's" first album, as a present.

So we talked and talked and... talked,,,...and....then she really said she was glad she had found an excuse to finally meet me and have a private chat with me (the time I was able to open her door, she was with her mother).

OK, so the wrestling started. Clothes everywhere, well, you know, like the end of the earth is at hand and you still have something urgent to do...

Then there was this open window, she grabbed to lower edge of the windowframe, letting her long black hair dangling outside the window, waving to and fro at the rhythm of my ...uhm.. probing and taking samples for further research (or something, whatever).

Next morning I met an old neighbour of mine who lived opposite my house, in a 3 story building, and asked me, "Hey neighbour, that neighbour of yours, you are really pleased by her, eh??"

And he had a big fat smile from ear to ear.

At first I wondered why he said that... but then I knew.

Hmmmm...

I had not seen him watch us because we were too busy with our research.

And another day I met him again, and this is what he said: "You know that I am Italian. When I saw what I saw I was kind of happy, but not because I am some peeping-tom. We Italians like this spectacle, it makes us forget about all the sh1t going on in the world, and that some things will - glad to say - never change. But there were like 4 other neighbours complaining about what they saw the two of you do. Damn pricks."





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Oh my god. Haha, I'm cracking up.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 10:06 PM

View PostJunior Chubb, on 20 September 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

I remember seeing an article on back pain years ago that suggested if we scampered about on all fours (as apes do) then a lot of the back pain people suffer would not have developed. Its an interesting point of view and I have considered it true since hearing it. I also wonder what role our furniture plays in back pain too, again forcing us into positions we may not be ready for. I often sit on the floor, especially to eat, at work and at home, so far so good (I haven't opted for the scampering around on all fours yet though).
Hmm so you have been contemplating running around on all fours hey so was this a childhood dream or fantasy hmm.  :unsure2:


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 01:33 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 23 September 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

The album I talked about is from the American (Jewish??) "Anastasia", a blond, white woman, often wearing shades, and singing with an African woman's voice.

I loved it, and nothing like the present Russian AnastaCias with their shrill high pitched voices that make my eardrums crack.

It was from the early 2000's.

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I have searched and searched, and then finally found out I had spelled her name wrong ... it's "AnastaCia", with a -C-...

The CD I have thrown out the window (the same window), many years ago.

Anyway, for the record, this is her:



Edited by Abramelin, 24 September 2012 - 01:40 AM.


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Posted 24 September 2012 - 12:01 PM

View PostCRIPTIC CHAMELEON, on 23 September 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Hmm so you have been contemplating running around on all fours hey so was this a childhood dream or fantasy hmm.  :unsure2:

I have contemplated it, but social pressure forces me to conform... ;)

I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to show me where the hell Helen of Annoy has been for the past couple of months.





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