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[John from Lowell]

M0TH, on 02 October 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

there is no helping them my friend... but I appreciate your heart!!! They'll turn and devour you the first chance they get... pearls and swine come to mind!!!

May the force be with you  xxx.. (wishing I had a jedi smiley)...   ninja will have to do!!!

Very true indeed, yet deep within the self is every aspect of "All That Is". There is a way to honour All Ways of Being without being energetically effected - Love.

In my view, Self Love is the appreciation that there is only one of us here as humanity, and it is I.

John

[M0TH]

John from Lowell, on 03 October 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Very true indeed, yet deep within the self is every aspect of "All That Is". There is a way to honour All Ways of Being without being energetically effected - Love.

In my view, Self Love is the appreciation that there is only one of us here as humanity, and it is I.

John

I love that...

[Seeker79]

Professor T, on 24 September 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

I am also unsure about this, which is why I posted to get some other opinions on this. thanks btw..
I don't believe that categorising consciousness into levels is counter-productive.. If people want to be dishonest and claim that they are at a higher level they're cheating no-one but themselves and feeding their ego's i guess. I just think that having a map, even an imperfect one, is a great way to start moving up in consiousness and analysing ego. It can be used to catch one-self in moments of lower level/frequency on the scale, and used to determine over-all place on the map.

Well... I guess there is something to look at for inspiration I guess, but all along this latter, I see a categorization and classification of something that is more of a continuum rather than a hierarchy. We do have the mind for this, it's in our nature. Systemize, categorize, compartmentaliz... It just seems like the old human mind at work in its attempt to creat hierarchies.  Human beings are also fickle and complicated, I have great moments of spiritual clarity, and others of animalistic expression. I might be able to label myself moment by moment, but what am I to do ....take the average?

I also see the complete loss of any sort of labeling being part of the understandings of those with a "higher" number. This would only be a block to those who seek .... Well to move up. A wall. A continued recognition of sepertness, of hierarchy, of categorization.

Its a nice idea, I guess I see potential for dogma... But that's

[Seeker79]

Loved the Jedi scale by the way, but my favorite scale would probably be Dan Milman's  Socratese scale .

1 )You are either a foolish jack ass or

2) a fool.

"The way of the peaceful warrior"

[Lethanial]

This is a pretty interesting read. thank you for it (:

[Professor T]

Seeker79, on 16 October 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:

Well... I guess there is something to look at for inspiration I guess, but all along this latter, I see a categorization and classification of something that is more of a continuum rather than a hierarchy. We do have the mind for this, it's in our nature. Systemize, categorize, compartmentaliz... It just seems like the old human mind at work in its attempt to creat hierarchies. Human beings are also fickle and complicated, I have great moments of spiritual clarity, and others of animalistic expression. I might be able to label myself moment by moment, but what am I to do ....take the average?

I also see the complete loss of any sort of labeling being part of the understandings of those with a "higher" number. This would only be a block to those who seek .... Well to move up. A wall. A continued recognition of sepertness, of hierarchy, of categorization.

Its a nice idea, I guess I see potential for dogma... But that's

True that. I see it as a continum.  I guess it could be used to compartmentalise and categorise. And I guess it could easily be seen as a hierarchical system as opposed to what it ultimately is, which is a map.. I havn't actively tried to place myself where I am on the map as yet, but have a fair inkling as far as my own personal growth as to which areas of disempowerment or (dark side of the force) I need to study & resolve. I don't think it's a matter of analysis and taking averages. It's more for gaining an understanding of certain lower vibrations, where they come from and how and why, then a matter of finding the truth through understanding I guess. Then resolution, then moving forward and onwards with the map as a general guide until you no longer need it.. Through resolution, your daily ups begin to outnumber your downs, and the 2nd teir level or true self awareness raises up to another notch.

As far as the higher levels goes and their "lack of labelling", I guess it would be rather un-constructive or perhaps even blocking to have these labeled and compartmentalised.. At those high levels, peoples driving force I think would be their purpose, and that is as varied as their are people.