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[Abramelin]

Oniomancer, on 11 October 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

I swear I've seen something like that displayed as an autopsy knife somewhere (unless it was that picture) but it was probably in a movie, in which case I've seen mole traps used as prop medical instruments before too.

Must have been in "SAW".

I think surgeons once used it to cut open a breastbone, and forensic pathologists/investigators (or what's the name)  maybe for autopsy . But the breastbone of a dead pharaoh wasn't cut open as far as  I know.

[Quaentum]

Reminds me of the old trepanning knives.

http://www.worldmuse...y.php?item=1144

[Abramelin]

Quaentum, on 11 October 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

Reminds me of the old trepanning knives.

http://www.worldmuse...y.php?item=1144

Damn. that's it: I have one (a copy of course) from Peru, Incan style.


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I just made a scan of the thing:

Edited by Abramelin, 11 October 2012 - 05:03 PM.

[meryt-tetisheri]

Abramelin, on 11 October 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

Here is a woman demonstrating how to prepare that dish I dare not pronounce (Molokhia according to this video, but I saw like 5 other spellings):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4220fThLPrE&feature=related

And it's a big step from mummification to preparing a meal that makes my mouth water, lol.

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Transliterating Arabic is kind of flexible, but molokhia/ moloukheyya should be easy for you to pronounce, the Dutch language has 'kh' sound already. Imagine how a French speaker would fare
The origin of the name, its root, is 'meloukia' or royal, because it is one gooey but absolutely delicious soup!
Frankly I can't imagine how exactly a curved knife could be used in mummification, or on which part of the body; but I can imagine a clever woman once looked at the curved knife and had a 'moment of inspiration' and decided the shape saves time and effort in chopping a large quantity of herb leaves :/  (enough of that I would like to be able to continue enjoying molokhia)

[meryt-tetisheri]

Harte, on 11 October 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

Chopped "herbs" were used in the mummification process as well.

Harte

That might be the missing link between mummification and meloukia!

[meryt-tetisheri]

Oniomancer, on 11 October 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

I was wondering about that myself. He seems not to be aware you have regular sandstorms there.

E.Lad is assuming apocalyptic type thunder and sand storms, the first is an absolute rarity in Egypt, the second though frequent are never huge enough to bury a city particularly since Alexandria is not built in the middle of the desert, and during the ancient times a larger area around it was cultivated compared to modern Alexandria. Compare the area of cultivated land during the Ptolemaic period and present day Alexandria. The city has never been sitting in the middle of a desert to be totally engulfed by sands.

[Knight Of Shadows]

ahhh molokhia and rice.. nummm

i seriously doubt that all egypt history is wrong
however in ancient times it's said that people were taller and bigger than today's people
giants .. by today standards maybe but not the way you describe

[Abramelin]

meryt-tetisheri, on 11 October 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

That might be the missing link between mummification and meloukia!

Maybe they stuffed those mummies with that, hahaha!

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Say, Meryt and Knight, when I was Googling to find that wedge shaped kitchen knife Meryt was talking about, I found out that that dish is also called "Jew's Mallow".  Is it really called that way in Egypt ans Syria??

[Abramelin]

Knight Of Shadows, on 11 October 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

ahhh molokhia and rice.. nummm

i seriously doubt that all egypt history is wrong
however in ancient times it's said that people were taller and bigger than today's people
giants .. by today standards maybe but not the way you describe

Maybe 'it is said', but no one ever found proof of it.

And in general people were lots shorter than they are now.

Good and healthy food, good health care, and not a lot of stress (survival and all that scheise) makes people grow taller.

Decades ago I wrote a paper about stress, and one of the interesting things I found out is that stress - whether caused by physical (disease, hunger, and so on)) or psychological trauma - inhibits the growth hormone. Or better: the synthesis of stress hormones prevails the synthesis of growth hormone.


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This is the index:



I almost had to weep while copying this...jesus. I once had a bright future laying in front of me.

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Edited by Abramelin, 11 October 2012 - 06:27 PM.

[tipsy_munchkin]

Abramelin, on 11 October 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Maybe 'it is said', but no one ever found proof of it.

And in general people were lots shorter than they are now.

Good and healthy food, good health care, and not a lot of stress (survival and all that scheise) makes people grow taller.

Decades ago I wrote a paper about stress, and one of the interesting things I found out is that stress - whether caused by physical (disease, hunger, and so on)) or psychological trauma - inhibits the growth hormone. Or better: the synthesis of stress hormones prevails the synthesis of growth hormone.

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I must have been a  really stressed kid. I am 4"11

[Lion6969]

If there was any evidence for giants it would be swept under the carpet at the smithsonian institute or somet. That sort of evidence would put evolutionary and biological sciences in a right hole! There goes materialism

Lol

[Abramelin]

tipsy_munchkin, on 11 October 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

I must have been a  really stressed kid. I am 4"11

Well, were you? Disease in general, or a hereditary disease is a form of stress.

And genetics comes into play too, of course.

[Abramelin]

Lion6969, on 11 October 2012 - 06:26 PM, said:

If there was any evidence for giants it would be swept under the carpet at the smithsonian institute or somet. That sort of evidence would put evolutionary and biological sciences in a right hole! There goes materialism

Lol

This conspiracy argument is getting tiresome.

I have posted about the finds a South African professor made: he found many huge bones belonging to Homo Heidelbergensis. These guys were 7 feet tall or more on average.

But they lived hundreds of thousands of years ago in South Africa.

And they are our ancestors.

Nothing was hidden, it was only hidden for those who don't know where and how to look for relevant info.

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Edited by Abramelin, 11 October 2012 - 06:37 PM.

[Oniomancer]

meryt-tetisheri, on 11 October 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

E.Lad is assuming apocalyptic type thunder and sand storms, the first is an absolute rarity in Egypt, the second though frequent are never huge enough to bury a city particularly since Alexandria is not built in the middle of the desert, and during the ancient times a larger area around it was cultivated compared to modern Alexandria. Compare the area of cultivated land during the Ptolemaic period and present day Alexandria. The city has never been sitting in the middle of a desert to be totally engulfed by sands.

Alexandria he's only claiming was sunk at the time, plus being in the delta, it's a special case. All the others he mentioned from Abydos to Aswan are right on the edge of the desert, or close enough that several thousand years of small sandstorms and neglect are more than enough to leave parts of them buried without the need for a cataclysm. You'll notice the only two examles of actual burial he uses are convenently laying on the ground or already imbedded in it.

[meryt-tetisheri]

Knight Of Shadows, on 11 October 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

ahhh molokhia and rice.. nummm

i seriously doubt that all egypt history is wrong
however in ancient times it's said that people were taller and bigger than today's people
giants .. by today standards maybe but not the way you describe

You're making me feel hungry Knight, and molokhia is not available here (not that it would do me any good, I can't cook it, but surely can eat it)!

Ancient Egyptians were not giants or even exceptionally tall. RamsesII was considered exceptionally tall compared to his contemporaries and he was 172.7, my son is taller!