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#61    Simbi Laveau

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:07 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 13 December 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

Levitation is easy, using similar/ opposite polarity or charges including magnetic or  static electricity. Eg i could do a video of me levitating a balloon by passing a  "magic" wand over it. Any one who didnt know the simple science behind it would think it was magic. Especially if the fact that the wand was glass was concealed.

People who practice magick,don't do parlour tricks or school science projects ,and pass them off as magick ,is the problem with this.
We would never do it . It's ridiculous to us .

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 10:18 PM

After years of practice I'm finally capable of magic. I can make my money dissappear, never to be seen again. And if you don't believe me, come drinking on the beach with me one night and I'll teach you how to do it. POOF!


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 10:26 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 18 December 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

People who practice magick,don't do parlour tricks or school science projects ,and pass them off as magick ,is the problem with this.
We would never do it . It's ridiculous to us .

They go on internet forum's instead.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:19 PM

I don't know how true things are , but i don't think any of us can say that we don't practice spells or whatever ,I think we all do in some way , we just don't realize it .Maybe  our intentions are something more real than the word "MAGIK".
I don't like witchcraft  or the thought of  asking assistence from any unseen entites  other than what I know of Christ .I  feel that something is very wrong with calling upon unseen entiites  , other than Christ , the angels or God , because I know what Christ , God and the Holy angels stand for but who and what are these other entities that witches call on ?


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 10:21 AM

View PostReann, on 21 December 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

I don't know how true things are , but i don't think any of us can say that we don't practice spells or whatever ,I think we all do in some way , we just don't realize it .Maybe  our intentions are something more real than the word "MAGIK".
I don't like witchcraft  or the thought of  asking assistence from any unseen entites  other than what I know of Christ .I  feel that something is very wrong with calling upon unseen entiites  , other than Christ , the angels or God , because I know what Christ , God and the Holy angels stand for but who and what are these other entities that witches call on ?

They are pretty much the same as christ god and the angels..

You see there is no perfect religion for the world.. The gods are very wise.. they know each man is different.. no one believes exactly the same as the person next to them.. Christianity is right for christians.. buddism for the buddists  so on and so forth..

There is no one true god for everyone.. the god.. gods or in my case goddesses are the true ones for the person to believe in them..

now as for magic.. no.. I do not practice magic.. I'm not a wiccan.. I'm a pagan :) I leave the magic to my more gifted friends..

Do I believe in magic? yes.. I do.. like followers of the major faiths believe in the power of prayer.. its the same thing..


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:00 AM

There is no problem with magic. it is a fantasy thing wizards do.  witches they cast spells.


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 02:24 PM

View PostBlueogre2, on 29 September 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

Greetings, forum. It has come to my attention that Magick, is a rather useless thing. I am not saying that it does not work. I do believe that it does but the effects seem to be rather unpredictable and limited in it's practicality. Furthermore their is the problem of negative spirits which every person who involves themselves in this practice eventually encounters. But I am interested in hearing what other people think
Magic is useless to you. This does not apply to all else but is simply an opinion and perspective. And the effects tend to be unpredictable when one has no concrete knowledge on the forces they are dealing with but this goes for many things even in the material world. And magic is only limited through the medium. For example, a person. Negative spirits involve themselves with everyone. I see them all the time within people's minds and attached to people's auras whether they are aware of it or not. To limit any sort of spiritual influence to those of the craft would be ignorant for we are spiritual by nature in human bodies as the vehicles. Thank you for hearing my own perspective.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 10:50 PM

View PostSean93, on 14 December 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Yeah, I know that. But considering a few people on here claim to do magic (Whatever way you spell it), I'd like to see some of it in action, what kinds of magic is there? Black? White? Telekinetic etc?

Mr Walker, from reading some of you earlier posts and knowing you communicate with god and all that, do you believe/know that humans can use magic and if so, what kinds are there?...any dark evil stuff?
I agree with one of arthur c clarkes' "laws"; that technology advanced beyonfd the abilty for the viewer to comprehend it is indistinguishable from magic.

There is magic in the world, also known as the paranormal or supernatural, or to some, religious/spiritual. It is rea,l measurable, observable, and not yet understood.

IMO and experience much of it comes via humans who access, consciously or subconsciously, a vast conciousness and entity i call the cosmic consciousness.

  Modern humans know that energy and matter are alternative forms which can be manipulated. We are within a century of having total control of these forces. Almost every form of magic falls within this technology or skill; from esp, obeing, telekinesis clair voyance etc. Its reality is indisputable; its actual form and function not yet clearly known or understood.

i am fortunate not to have encountered any dark forces or energies except those which exist within myself, and which i have control over. To me magic, like technology, is a tool which can be used for destructive or creative purposes, as the user desires.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:03 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 18 December 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

People who practice magick,don't do parlour tricks or school science projects ,and pass them off as magick ,is the problem with this.
We would never do it . It's ridiculous to us .

I was pointing out the form of magic called illusion.

All magic is, in a sense, the presence and application of real forces by a person who knows and understands them, to a person who does not.

The power/energy for these forces can come from within a person, from natural energies, or via the application of "technology" which enhances and assists the magic.
People are all different. Some do indeed perform parlour tricks and use magic for gain . Some probably use it for criminal intent. I use magic for good  often to find lost or stolen objects, because that is who I am.

I agree that real, true, powerful magic is dangerous and feared by many.  In my experience, having had some people physically run away from me if i demonstrated any "magic" abilities, this is why most real practioners do not make themselves obvious. In some places there is real religious prejudice against magic and yet christian religion is based on actual magic. The fear and anger once came from people who  truly saw non christian magic as a competitor to religious magic.Today it is more a learned prejudice.

We used to burn "witches", now we may consult them at 100 bucks a time, but we still fear them.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:10 PM

View PostReann, on 21 December 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

I don't know how true things are , but i don't think any of us can say that we don't practice spells or whatever ,I think we all do in some way , we just don't realize it .Maybe  our intentions are something more real than the word "MAGIK".
I don't like witchcraft  or the thought of  asking assistence from any unseen entites  other than what I know of Christ .I  feel that something is very wrong with calling upon unseen entiites  , other than Christ , the angels or God , because I know what Christ , God and the Holy angels stand for but who and what are these other entities that witches call on ?

IMO it is all the one power. It is the duality of human nature and the way we use this power which creates constructive and destructive outcomes. I have never encountered a dark power, I believe, because it does not exist outside my self.  If I allowed the darkness within me to dominate, then the power of good which surrounds, and inhabits, and protects me, could become a power of evil.

That is why human choices for good evil etc are so important in reality, and in the christian faith. Give yourself to good, and goodness will surround and protect you. Give yourself to "evil" and evil will inhabit, empower, and consume you.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:32 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 22 December 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:



I was pointing out the form of magic called illusion.

All magic is, in a sense, the presence and application of real forces by a person who knows and understands them, to a person who does not.

The power/energy for these forces can come from within a person, from natural energies, or via the application of "technology" which enhances and assists the magic.
People are all different. Some do indeed perform parlour tricks and use magic for gain . Some probably use it for criminal intent. I use magic for good  often to find lost or stolen objects, because that is who I am.
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I agree that real, true, powerful magic is dangerous and feared by many.  In my experience, having had some people physically run away from me if i demonstrated any "magic" abilities, this is why most real practioners do not make themselves obvious. In some places there is real religious prejudice against magic and yet christian religion is based on actual magic. The fear and anger once came from people who  truly saw non christian magic as a competitor to religious magic.Today it is more a learned prejudice.

We used to burn "witches", now we may consult them at 100 bucks a time, but we still fear them.

I'm sorry Mr w. I wasn't disbaraging your comment. I was remarking because I'm weary of the distain of various foolish personalities on here.
Who obviously have no real interest ,but just wish to make obtuse comments .


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:05 PM

Wow, I had forgotten all about this thread... Good to see such interest in the topic. Well my opinion has evolved somewhat from the time I made my original posts, I still think that magick is not very useful in a practical sense and yet potentially dangerous, but I feel like it is very possible to do with the help of spirits.


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View PostImaginarynumber1, on 30 September 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

Edit: So you can't prove it, huh? Didn't think so.

Just stumbled upon this thread. I'm wondering: exactly how do you think Bluestar could prove it to you? It's not possible through this medium, is it? She says it happens, you say it doesn't ..... impasse.
I've noticed you doing this in other threads, the same tired old thoughtless response that is meaningless ...... time to up your game and refresh it!

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:00 AM

Magick can be a way of life. Some breathe, eat and **** magick while others take it in various moderations. There will always be some that find it practical and some that don't.

Personally I do a lot spells simple and halfass, which don't produce clean results. Sometimes I am unable to see any results. You get what you put in. Sometimes you get results in very unexpecting ways.

As for it being dangerous, I find most people who say such are the ones who encounter things even seeing beings while practicing. I find most people don't experience this while a few do.

If such things make you feel unsafe and uneasy then either stop or deal. I myself stop for years because of what I would see and experience.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:13 AM

View PostDingoLingo, on 22 December 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

They are pretty much the same as christ god and the angels..

You see there is no perfect religion for the world.. The gods are very wise.. they know each man is different.. no one believes exactly the same as the person next to them.. Christianity is right for christians.. buddism for the buddists  so on and so forth..

There is no one true god for everyone.. the god.. gods or in my case goddesses are the true ones for the person to believe in them..

now as for magic.. no.. I do not practice magic.. I'm not a wiccan.. I'm a pagan :) I leave the magic to my more gifted friends..

Do I believe in magic? yes.. I do.. like followers of the major faiths believe in the power of prayer.. its the same thing..

View PostDingoLingo, on 22 December 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

They are pretty much the same as christ god and the angels..

You see there is no perfect religion for the world.. The gods are very wise.. they know each man is different.. no one believes exactly the same as the person next to them.. Christianity is right for christians.. buddism for the buddists  so on and so forth..

There is no one true god for everyone.. the god.. gods or in my case goddesses are the true ones for the person to believe in them..

now as for magic.. no.. I do not practice magic.. I'm not a wiccan.. I'm a pagan :) I leave the magic to my more gifted friends..

Do I believe in magic? yes.. I do.. like followers of the major faiths believe in the power of prayer.. its the same thing..
i get what you're saying , I personally believe in only one Supreme God source, a higher power , an intelligent creator which i can not explain other than what my heart reveals to me , I suppose that's where faith grows as well.
Now as for Christ , he was clear in his message, actions and purpose so I have to disagree with you about compiling Christ in with every other belief,known to man, he was clear about his place and purpose.
I don't just believe but i know that " As Christ taught" he never lied not one time ... there is no other name  besides God himself that any witch  or magician can call on that is more powerful than Christ. I especially take interest in the power of the keys that Christ taught..





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