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Iran clock ticking but Israel, US hold hands


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#1    Karlis

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:23 PM

Israel's PM, Benjamin Netanyahu, has been intensifying pressure on the US to support an attack on Iran.

The ''red line'' would be the point at which a military strike would be needed to stop Iran developing a nuclear bomb. From the viewpoint of a vulnerable Israel, it's best if the US launches the attack. But if it falls to Israel to do it, it still craves superpower support.




On the same day, apparently sensing Netanyahu's rising impatience, the commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, Mohammad Ali Jafari, warned that ''nothing would remain'' of Israel if it were to attack Iran. US bases would also be targeted, he said.

The US President, Barack Obama, refused to be panicked. In the past week or so the world saw that ''finally, Israel's Prime Minister blinked,'' as the Financial Times put it.

Netanyahu continued to talk about the danger of Iran's nuclear program. He even stood on the podium before the nations of the world assembled at the United Nations General Assembly last week holding a crudely alarmist sketch of a cartoon-style round bomb with a lit fuse and a red mark drawn to illustrate the concept of a red line.

But his speech indicated that the crisis point for confronting Iran with force had moved into next year, beyond the US election.

Israel itself is deeply divided on the matter. Not only the public, but the political and security elites are divided, too.
While Netanyahu and his Defence Minister, Ehud Barak, are seen as the hawks most eager to strike Iran, most of the security establishment of the country argues that an attack now would be ill-judged.

Even Netanyahu's own 14-member security cabinet is reported to be divided.

One point of consensus between just about everyone in the US and Israel is that a military strike on the Iranian weapons program, buried deep underground, would only delay, not destroy, Iran's campaign to build the bomb.

So the key question for Israel is not whether it will eventually confront a nuclear-armed Iran, but whether it will have the US by its side when that day comes.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:36 PM

Troubling times...

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 02:08 AM

View PostKarlis, on 02 October 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:


One point of consensus between just about everyone in the US



is that Netanyahoo is an idiot.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 10:45 AM

View PostKarlis, on 02 October 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

Israel's PM, Benjamin Netanyahu, has been intensifying pressure on the US to support an attack on Iran.

The ''red line'' would be the point at which a military strike would be needed to stop Iran developing a nuclear bomb. From the viewpoint of a vulnerable Israel, it's best if the US launches the attack. But if it falls to Israel to do it, it still craves superpower support.



On the same day, apparently sensing Netanyahu's rising impatience, the commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, Mohammad Ali Jafari, warned that ''nothing would remain'' of Israel if it were to attack Iran. US bases would also be targeted, he said.

The US President, Barack Obama, refused to be panicked. In the past week or so the world saw that ''finally, Israel's Prime Minister blinked,'' as the Financial Times put it.

Netanyahu continued to talk about the danger of Iran's nuclear program. He even stood on the podium before the nations of the world assembled at the United Nations General Assembly last week holding a crudely alarmist sketch of a cartoon-style round bomb with a lit fuse and a red mark drawn to illustrate the concept of a red line.

But his speech indicated that the crisis point for confronting Iran with force had moved into next year, beyond the US election.

Israel itself is deeply divided on the matter. Not only the public, but the political and security elites are divided, too.
While Netanyahu and his Defence Minister, Ehud Barak, are seen as the hawks most eager to strike Iran, most of the security establishment of the country argues that an attack now would be ill-judged.

Even Netanyahu's own 14-member security cabinet is reported to be divided.

One point of consensus between just about everyone in the US and Israel is that a military strike on the Iranian weapons program, buried deep underground, would only delay, not destroy, Iran's campaign to build the bomb.

So the key question for Israel is not whether it will eventually confront a nuclear-armed Iran, but whether it will have the US by its side when that day comes.
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I really doubt that Israel will strike alone.  But I do not absolutely discount the possibility.  If Netanyahu truly believes the rhetoric he has been broadcasting for the past couple of years then he will act.  IF he did so prior to the elections I think Obama would reluctantly support Israel but I'm not certain of that.  I believe that events in Syria will overtake the situation with Iran.  The meltdown of Assad's forces and the fate of those chem/bio weapons may cause Israel to go to war there first and with unforseen consequences for the region and the world.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:22 AM

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:45 PM

View Postand then, on 03 October 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

.  I believe that events in Syria will overtake the situation with Iran.  The meltdown of Assad's forces and the fate of those chem/bio weapons may cause Israel to go to war there first and with unforseen consequences for the region and the world.

Now you're warmongering for Syria?!! What's that for?

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:17 PM

Iran will have nuclear bomb capability soon. It's Iran's right to this insurance policy and Israel is just going to have to learn to live with it just as we had to learn to live with Russia and China's. The real red line imo is a solid ICBM caliber rocket and/or massive troop mobilization.





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