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#1    jugoso

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:32 PM


Among the questions being asked:
  • How much alcohol do you consume in a week?
  • Have you ever solicited the services of a prostitute?
  • Do you or your spouse/common law partner or cohabiter gamble (including lottery, casinos, online gaming, scratch tickets, etc.)?
  • Have you ever committed an act of domestic abuse, including the use of, or the threat of use of, violence against your spouse, partner, parents, children, siblings, pets, etc.?

The Canadian Human Rights Commission guide to screening and selection in employment says to avoid, for example, asking whether the applicant drinks or uses drugs and whether the applicant is receiving counselling or therapy.

The survey also asks about marital status. The Canadian Human Rights Act entitles "all individuals to equal employment opportunities without regard to … family or marital status, sex …."

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...stionnaire.html

Do you think questions like this are OK or not??


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:40 PM

Well let's see....what's smuggled across borders. Drugs, booze, hookers, violent criminals fleeing a jurisdiction, unclaimed casino winnings....so yeah...they seem like valid questions to me. Unless you believe in allowing the fox to guard the henhouse.

And my son-in-law works border patrol. The stuff he sees would make you sick.

Edited by The Mule, 02 October 2012 - 06:42 PM.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:51 PM

So do you think that if you answer the questions honestly and let´s say you do like to have a few drinks on weekends and play the lottery once in a while that this would be used against you? what about the questions regarding marriage??

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 07:10 PM

I don't see how your marital status is a factor in getting the job.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 07:14 PM

You want these guys to be cleaner than cops. Yes. The stress these guys are under is enormous.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 07:18 PM

View PostHilander, on 02 October 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

I don't see how your marital status is a factor in getting the job.

Its not, but they're going to do a background check on your spouse too

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 07:56 PM

View PostThe Mule, on 02 October 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

You want these guys to be cleaner than cops. Yes. The stress these guys are under is enormous.

Could you be more specific about the kind of stress border agents are under? I can understand the stress of police officers but have never really considered border officers to have highly stressful jobs. I´ve usually found them to be arrogant pricks (no offence intended toward your son). I always thought of them as wannabe cops that never made it. Maybe I need to rethink that opinion. Thanks!

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:05 PM

Really guy? Have you no experience with drug smugglers/human traffickers? Its not like handling out speeding tickets. They're not even like your run of the mill crack dealers. These guys will kidnap that petty little wife of yours. They will shoot before they hand over ids. But hey if a slip a little weed your way and you let me through this time, you're in their pocket for life now.

Picture your basic post 911 paranoia, that's what these guys have to deal with.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 04:56 AM

View PostThe Mule, on 02 October 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Really guy? Have you no experience with drug smugglers/human traffickers? Its not like handling out speeding tickets. They're not even like your run of the mill crack dealers. These guys will kidnap that petty little wife of yours. They will shoot before they hand over ids. But hey if a slip a little weed your way and you let me through this time, you're in their pocket for life now.

Picture your basic post 911 paranoia, that's what these guys have to deal with.

You realize we are speaking about the Canadian Border Service, right?




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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:59 AM

Are you really that naive about what goes on with drug smuggling, and trafficing in human slavery? While the Central Americans come up through the Mexican/US border...the Asians and Eastern Europeans find it much easier to  come through Canada into the US (maybe its that rent-a-cap mentallity).

The crossings would also make great targets for terrorists as there's usually a ton of cars lined up on each side.

And the answers you're seeking are right there in the article you posted. Did you even read it???

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:20 AM

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:11 PM

View PostThe Mule, on 03 October 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

Are you really that naive about what goes on with drug smuggling, and trafficing in human slavery? While the Central Americans come up through the Mexican/US border...the Asians and Eastern Europeans find it much easier to  come through Canada into the US (maybe its that rent-a-cap mentallity).

The crossings would also make great targets for terrorists as there's usually a ton of cars lined up on each side.

And the answers you're seeking are right there in the article you posted. Did you even read it???

My original post was to find out what opinions were regarding the "voluntary" questionnaire which may or may not be constitutionally legal. You mentioned how stressful the border agent jobs are and I asked you to provide some examples. Certainly having your family or personally being threatened can be stressful but I need to call you on your statement that they will pull up to the border and shoot you rather than produce IDs. So other than perhaps being threatened to let someone/something slip over the border what is so stressful about their jobs as compared to a police officers. it seems to me the border is much more controlled with video surveillance and other officers around. I just don´t get why their job is so stressful.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:26 PM

Ok...example...one of my coworkers was having some kind of medical test done, the kind where you drink berium or some such liqiud that would show up on a medical test. Afterwards he decides to go to the casino, hits the border and whatever he drank set off the sensors for radioactivity. Next thing he knows he's surrounded by 8 guys with M16s in full battle mode. Theyre their to protect our borders, and if you don't understand that, I don't know how I can help you.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:43 PM

Domestic abuse probably shouldn't be part of that. Many times a woman can attack a man, even if the guy doesn't do anything physically to her in response, he usually ends up being made to leave (even if it's his place), or he goes to jail and get's charged with DV even though he never touched her. That happened to a friend of mine. His wife flipped out on him, slapped him, sprained her finger in the process, he goes to jail for 2 days, and gets a dv charge. The state prosecuted even though she didn't press charges after the fact and she also told the judge (who said he didn't want to hear it) that it was an accident.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:20 PM

View PostThe Mule, on 03 October 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

Ok...example...one of my coworkers was having some kind of medical test done, the kind where you drink berium or some such liqiud that would show up on a medical test. Afterwards he decides to go to the casino, hits the border and whatever he drank set off the sensors for radioactivity. Next thing he knows he's surrounded by 8 guys with M16s in full battle mode. Theyre their to protect our borders, and if you don't understand that, I don't know how I can help you.

I think the guy surrounded by 8 guys with M 16s is feeling more stressed in this situation as he would probably have no idea what is going on. I´m not saying the job   isn´t stressful, but a lot of other jobs are too.

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