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[Myles]

OverSword, on 04 October 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

Actually you're quoting my memory from a podcast that I listned to 3 or 4 years ago.  If you want to know what the man with the doctorate who specializes in in the foot structure of primates said you'll just have to actually listen to the interview.  are you thick?

That is why I started with   "If he really said that, then he is not to be taken seriously."
I will stand by my comment that if he really said " "could not have been faked and were definetly made by a living animal", I would not take him seriously.

[OverSword]

Despite the fact that you have no clue concerning the forensic technology that could enable him to make such a statement.  You're still thick, I'll add pig headed.

[Myles]

OverSword, on 04 October 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Despite the fact that you have no clue concerning the forensic technology that could enable him to make such a statement.  You're still thick, I'll add pig headed.

Now it's on to name-calling?   Nice

If disagreeing with a man who said what you claimed he said is pig headed, then I'm guilty as charged.

[Neognosis]

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doctorate who specializes in in the foot structure of primates

Is there much of a job market for that degree?

[Lava_Lady]

keninsc, on 04 October 2012 - 08:34 AM, said:

Really? If you could prove they exist then you can get the Government to enact laws to protect them......and yes that means you'd have to provide a body or two for them to study and determine where they might fit on the old evolutionary tree. Just saying, proof of life and existence equals protection almost automatically.

I hold JG in very high regard and she's no different than most of us when it comes to having a thing for something that might well not exist at all. We've got our pet theories about various things. I'd like to think Bigfoots are real and living happily out in the forests of North America. No, there isn't any proof they do or ever have existed, but there are a lot of creatures who only recently have been proven to exist.

Hmm... I understand your point.  Thanks for sharing

[OverSword]

Neognosis, on 04 October 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

Is there much of a job market for that degree?

From wikipedia:
D. Jeffrey Meldrum (born 1958) is an Associate Professor of Anatomy and Anthropology and Adjunct Associate Professor of the Department of Anthropology at Idaho State University. Meldrum is also Adjunct Professor of Occupational and Physical Therapy and Affiliate Curator of Vertebrate Paleontology at the Idaho Museum of Natural History.
Meldrum is an expert on foot morphology and locomotion in primates.^[1]

http://en.wikipedia....Jeffrey_Meldrum

Given those credentials there probably is not too many people that could be a better judge of wether a foot print was authentic or not.

Edited by OverSword, 04 October 2012 - 07:16 PM.

[Night Walker]

OverSword, on 04 October 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

From wikipedia:
D. Jeffrey Meldrum (born 1958) is an Associate Professor of Anatomy and Anthropology and Adjunct Associate Professor of the Department of Anthropology at Idaho State University. Meldrum is also Adjunct Professor of Occupational and Physical Therapy and Affiliate Curator of Vertebrate Paleontology at the Idaho Museum of Natural History.
Meldrum is an expert on foot morphology and locomotion in primates.^[1]

http://en.wikipedia....Jeffrey_Meldrum

Given those credentials there probably is not too many people that could be a better judge of wether a foot print was authentic or not.

This is the same Dr. Meldrum who in his book Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science reckons the impression made by a Wallace-stomper is also an authentic Bigfoot print:



... and that an elk lay is from a Bigfoot's butt:

[OverSword]

Night Walker, on 04 October 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

This is the same Dr. Meldrum who in his book Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science reckons the impression made by a Wallace-stomper is also an authentic Bigfoot print:



... and that an elk lay is from a Bigfoot's butt:

Prove it.

edited to add on the amazon review page one of the reviews points out how Meldrum called B.S. on the Williams prints so your entire post is nothing but a lie.  What motivation do you have for inventing complete crap and knowingly post it as fact?

But neat pictures.  Thanks for your completely useless contribution to the discussion, now go away

Edited by OverSword, 04 October 2012 - 09:23 PM.

[Myles]

Night Walker, on 04 October 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

This is the same Dr. Meldrum who in his book Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science reckons the impression made by a Wallace-stomper is also an authentic Bigfoot print:



... and that an elk lay is from a Bigfoot's butt:

Of course this guy wrote a book.   That kind of explains why he continues to make comments about the possibility of bigfoot.
NightWalker, I did read many reviews of his book and several mentioned a spot of a resting elk as being where a bigfoot rolled in mud.  An elks buttprint being from a female bigfoot.  Strange sounds.....bigfoot.   There were also many people who said that he said that no-one would go through this much trouble to fake something.   According to others, he continuousely bashes other scientists because they do not open their mind to the possibility.

He may be a great scientist, but my feeling is that he is full of it.    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, right?

[OverSword]

You read many reviews of this book like you listened to the interview.  I did read many reviews of this book and I say you're full of feces.

[Myles]

OverSword, on 04 October 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

You read many reviews of this book like you listened to the interview.  I did read many reviews of this book and I say you're full of feces.

To each their own.   I did a search for info on this book.  While there are many people who support him, there are many people who question him.   You can go on and believe if you want.   I choose not to until solid evidence is presented.

I'm surprised that you get offended when someone doesn't blindly believe a guy who wrote a book about bigfoot being real.   If he wrote a book about leprechauns being real, I wouldn't believe him either.

I have no problem with those who believe in bigfoot.  Different strokes for different folks.  It's when they try to push bogus evidence on others to prove their point that bugs me.

Edited by Myles, 04 October 2012 - 10:44 PM.

[Night Walker]

OverSword, on 04 October 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

Prove it.

It's in his book, dude - look it up (the actual book rather than simply the reviews). Meldrum also reckons the casts from prolific hoaxer Paul Freeman are legit (perhaps only SOME were faked) and has yet to recant on the Elk-lay/Bigfoot-butt cast...

Myles, on 04 October 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

Of course this guy wrote a book. That kind of explains why he continues to make comments about the possibility of bigfoot.
NightWalker, I did read many reviews of his book and several mentioned a spot of a resting elk as being where a bigfoot rolled in mud. An elks buttprint being from a female bigfoot. Strange sounds.....bigfoot. There were also many people who said that he said that no-one would go through this much trouble to fake something. According to others, he continuousely bashes other scientists because they do not open their mind to the possibility.

He may be a great scientist, but my feeling is that he is full of it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, right?

Meldrum gets fame and $$$ well beyond his standing as an associate-professor for riding the Bigfoot bandwagon and like his predecessor, Grover Krantz, is also Mormon which sometimes equates Cain with Bigfoot (so Bigfoot may be more about Prophet than profit, if you know what I mean...).

It is also worth considering the long history of people (including eminent scientists) being taken in by deception. Recall how Ivan Sanderson (the guy who coined the term "cryptozoology") was taken in by those ridiculous giant penguin footprints. It has happened before, it is happening now, and it will happen again - why should one lone associate-professor be immune to that very human trait? Being taken in is much more likely when the deception meets one's pre-existing expectations and beliefs and, given the popularity of Bigfoot on the international stage, it is perhaps surprising that more scientists haven't been taken in...

Perhaps that old Sherpa saying is true: "There is a Yeti in the back of everyone’s mind; only the blessed are not haunted by it."

Edited by Night Walker, 04 October 2012 - 10:40 PM.

[beibeiqi]

Well they've recently discovered (correct me if I'm wrong) a new species of apes that were undetected for years on end. So I mean if one species of apes can go undetected for so many years then it is possible bigfoot could be real as well. And these animals had no known dna left behind, no bodies, no evidence of them being there aside from legends; until they were spotted one day. I had heard about a hair being found for the Yeti but I don't remember ever hearing anything back from that. So I highly doubt they found out anything. It could be possible; you really never know. It'd be very exciting as well!

[Night Walker]

beibeiqi, on 05 October 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Well they've recently discovered (correct me if I'm wrong) a new species of apes that were undetected for years on end. So I mean if one species of apes can go undetected for so many years then it is possible bigfoot could be real as well. And these animals had no known dna left behind, no bodies, no evidence of them being there aside from legends; until they were spotted one day. I had heard about a hair being found for the Yeti but I don't remember ever hearing anything back from that. So I highly doubt they found out anything. It could be possible; you really never know. It'd be very exciting as well!

Scientists discover new species of monkey in Congo

A team of scientists has identified a new species of monkey in central Africa that had been known to the locals simply as lesula, a medium-sized, slender animal that looks similar to an owl-faced monkey that was already known to scientists.

Scientists began investigating in June 2007, when researchers saw a young female monkey of unknown species at the home of a school director.

The new monkey was not quite similar to the clearly owl-faced Cercopithecus hamlyni, but researchers say the two are close relatives.

The new findings prove the two monkeys are different species, even though to local hunters they might look similar. A lesula, for example, has "significantly larger incisors, upper and lower second molars ... "


Infamous 'yeti finger' flunks DNA test

A finger long claimed to be from a yeti, once revered in a monastery in Nepal and taken in the 1950s by a Bigfoot researcher, has been identified after decades of mystery. Turns out, it's just a regular old human finger...


There is also this to look forward to: Bigfoot & Yeti DNA Study Gets Serious

[Abramelin]

beibeiqi, on 05 October 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Well they've recently discovered (correct me if I'm wrong) a new species of apes that were undetected for years on end. So I mean if one species of apes can go undetected for so many years then it is possible bigfoot could be real as well. And these animals had no known dna left behind, no bodies, no evidence of them being there aside from legends; until they were spotted one day. I had heard about a hair being found for the Yeti but I don't remember ever hearing anything back from that. So I highly doubt they found out anything. It could be possible; you really never know. It'd be very exciting as well!

You mean this ape:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bili_ape

There was a thread here about the ape (they had one in a zoo):

http://www.unexplain...15#entry2989365

It appears to be a chimp the size of a human, but with UNchimp like habits.

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Edited by Abramelin, 05 October 2012 - 09:14 AM.