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[the L]

Hello my dear UMers!

I watched lecture with guy called Gary Biltcliffe and he raised interesting questions. Well Gary wrote a book called “Spirit of Portland” about Island Portland in UK. Gary also visited many megalithic sites and studided them. He has been in Peru, UK (ofcourse), Bolivia, Egypt, Greece, Italy and so on.
While he was in Italy he visted 12 Etruscan cities. Vulci, Veio, Tarquinia and so on. During his stay he made amazing conclusion. That before Roman and before Etruscan in Italy there were some other civilization.  We know that in todays Italy many cultures flourished such as Ligurian, Venetic, Umbrian, Oscan,Italic, Illyrians, Greeks and son. Yet Gary claim that this ancient civilization is older then Etruscan. How he conclude that? Simply, by watching so called Etruscan ancient walls he noticed that they built with solid square blocks. In bottom of wall they put curved stone. Yet under those Etruscan walls he often found polygonal walls. Mayn sites he visited doesn’t match neither Roman or Etruscan style of building. He concluded that might be Pelasgians since there were legends that they establish this and that city. He mention as back up oh his theory George Dennis book “Etruscan tombs” where George said that Pigra and Saturnia were built by Pelasgians. But Gary doesn’t exclude that all pre-Etruscan walls were built by some unknown civilization.
Wall in Roselle which is polygonal was done as we are told by Romans. Yet same wall in Greece, Tirint wall is 3000 BC. Same style. We know that Romans didn’t built with polygonal stones.
Fort Cosa is as we are being told Roman fort yet it was done with polygonal stones different sizes like those in South America.If they were Pelasgians did they came before then in Greece, did they as Veneti came after fell of Troy. Pelasgians were on side of Troy according to Homer.
Gary stressed out that this civilization was in a sense advanced since they have knowledge about earthquakes. For example walls in Amelia are built on area wher earthquakes are often and with walls built in southa america those walls don’t crumble or break from earthquakes.In Cervtari we have Etruscan tombs with curved sotnes at bottom and sqaure blocks and we have polygonal tulums there. Oriental look. That’s amazing discovery in my opinion as Norba curved stones. In Norba ruins, we have carved the stones into curve,polygonal blocks-we only have similar in Peru. In Altari , 10 tones blocks set up not in bottom but on top or in middle. Why would they do this if that wasn’t easy for them?
Now Gary talked about famous Greek pyramid near Micenae. He mentioned that pyramid have vents. That’s interesting. But whats stuning is that pyramid was done from polygonal stones. Now there are theories that Pelasgians came in Arcadia today Peleponese. Just where we have pyramid.
Things become better. Thermoluminescence dating of stones on greek pyramid, which is as I understand that atomic level of stones changes when sun first time heat stone when have been cut from mountain or being shaped, dates pyramid 2710 BC.
Did Pelasgians  built pyramids about same time as Egyptians? Did Pelasgians influenced Egyptians maybe? According to Homer they built on Crete. So Gary found out that there is small part of polygonal wall there.

In Greece ruins of city Ojnijada wehave  8 km of polygonal walls. In picture with Red thower we can see how Hellenistic blocks differs from previous wall making. Also in Ojnijada we have amphitheathere completly cut in stone.
My idea was could it be that Etruscan came from minor asia trough Greece and built pyramids in Greece as well as Ojnijada city. Especially if we know that recently Etruscan pyramid was discover.Ofcourse if we take that Etruscan built those polygonal amazing walls such as Amelia, Norba and polygonal tombs.
Anyway Gary connect one more thing. On island Portland in ground they fround Etruscan tombs. Now that’s little fringie even to me. Also iron bars which Etruscan used in trade. But Romans were in Brittain so maybe Etruscan were there in Roman army. Stayed, married and so on. Gary connect names. Umbria is place where Etruscan lived in Italy yet we have north Umbria in UK. Umbria-North Umbria.

On another hand we have Etruscans. Personally Etruscans or Rasenna as they call themselves are riddle for me. All their statues as famous Etruscan couple, mythology, their twelve cities-state, their monogamous relationships, art, non Indo-european language. I found Tinia ,their thunderer as Elijah, Thor, Zeus and slavic Perun.  Godess Cel was mother of Giants. Again we have one more civilization who mention Giants. I think that Etruscan influenced Christhianity. Vanth looks like Angel to me and Charun like Devil. Why not? Im mean Jesus “turn another cheek” was Socrates and Budha invention. Not just that, in Christianity we have holy Trinity and in Etruscan we have Tinia,Menrva and Uni. Triumvirate. More and more I read about them they become more and more mysterious. Etruscan alphabet looks like runes to me.  We no nothing about their language. The last person known to have been able to read Etruscan was the Roman emperor Claudius.  While I was in Zagreb Archaeological museum I seen Liber Linteus, etruscan text with 230 lines which Egyptian mummy was warped in. They as many ancient people use Swastika symbol. Their neighbours Illyrians also used it. We find it in India in South America and so on. Almost all we know about them came from their Necropolis and Sarchophagi. They own Corsica in their hands between naval power Cannanites/Chartage. Who knows where would be they end if Syracuseans didn’t military won and what will we know about them if Guals didt sack Tuscany and Rome. We know that they influenced Rome a lot, architecture, mythology and so on. Chimera of Arezzo bronze statue which kindly hinting us that they realy can originate from asia minor Ionia since Chimera originate from Lycia, asia minor. Herodotus wrote that they originate from Lydia. Their religion is also mystery to us. For example we don’t know nothing about their God Satre. 8 century BC necropolis site Macchiabuia have 40 burials. Which is quite a lot. Adding to that Cerveteri, Tarquinia, Vulci and Vetulonia we realize how for Etruscan life after death was more important then this life.
If we look historians as I already mentioned Herodotus and later Roman accounts such as (from wiki)


Hellanicus of Lesbos, another Greek historian writing in the fifth century BC, mentioned a group of Pelasgians who arrived in Italy and there changed their name to Tyrrhenians.Virgil referred to the town of '. . . Cerveteri, built on an ancient rock where once the Lydians, a race distinguished in war, settled the hills of Tuscany.' And Seneca (who died in AD 65) stated that '. . . Asia claims the Etruscans as her own.' Tacitus (first to second centuries AD) accepted the story as told by Herodotus. Other tales also locate the Etruscans in Asia Minor, linking them with the Pelasgians; and refer to Tyrsenians or Tyrrhenians on the islands of Lemnos, Imbros and Lesbos, just off the Asian coast in the northern Aegean, and on Delos, the holy island in the centre of the Cyclades.

Anyway, I hope to get some feedback on Pelasgians-Etruscan mysteries.

Now I will upoload pictures and I hope you will connect pictures with my text.

Thanks for reading.

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Alatri-High wall







Amelia-according to Historians Roman

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Cerveteri Tombs

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Tumul necropolis Cervetari-different then Etrucan-see above

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Cosa wall. There on 2nd pic you can see how polygonal wall is benith and square stone wall above.

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Progression of cultures at Cosa. There you can see how we have Polygonal wall, then Etruscan wall then Roman wall.

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Roman on top Etruscan down and beneath Polygonal walls at Cosa -

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1st.Toscana Cyclope walls at Roselle-again "Roman"
2nd.Trint walls in Greece 3000 BC

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Pigra Italy

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This is amazing. Curved polygonal walls at Norba. We only have similar in Peru.

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Polygonal walls of Saturnia with Roman or Etruscan arch.

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Now lets go to Greece

1st. Part of polygonal wall
2nd. Greek pyramid

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1st.Ojnijad-west coast of greece...8 km of polygonal walls
2nd. Ojnijad wall -old polygonal wall with new hellenistic so called Red tower
3rd. Polygonal arch. Onlyone in the world.

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I will not upload Etruscan sarchophagus from Portland, nothing special there to see.
Again main gate at Norba.

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Now this something realy amateurish.

Here is some Etruscian sculpture,art burial