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[CommunitarianKevin]

Seeker79, on 07 October 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

Is that a fact?

I'm not fighting you on anything other than that the world was flooded, and that god was responsible. I do not accept abrahamic mythology as literal truth, nor their definition of god. this was my original point.

The abrahamic traditions is the ultimate straw man for atheists.

Okay...I guess I should clarify the Abrahamic faiths...I mean is that not what the vast majority of believers here are? If you go by the Abrahamic faiths, God is not good. The title of the thread "God" kind of implied the Abrahamic God...

[wanderer_]

HuttonEtAl, on 07 October 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

Okay...I guess I should clarify the Abrahamic faiths...I mean is that not what the vast majority of believers here are? If you go by the Abrahamic faiths, God is not good. The title of the thread "God" kind of implied the Abrahamic God...

If you don't want to say he's "good" then, will you at least agree that he does what is necessary? If there is a creating aspect of God, then there must too be a destructive aspect. When the world sinks too far away from God, dissolution is necessary to maintain order. If we didn't stray from God in the first place it wouldn't be necessary, but alas, that is the fate, and that is why there is destruction. Sometimes it's of the physical plane, sometimes the subtle planes. Life is a big cycle, as the Mayans, and many other civilizations and religions held true.

[Rlyeh]

wanderer_, on 07 October 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

If you don't want to say he's "good" then, will you at least agree that he does what is necessary? If there is a creating aspect of God, then there must too be a destructive aspect. When the world sinks too far away from God, dissolution is necessary to maintain order. If we didn't stray from God in the first place it wouldn't be necessary, but alas, that is the fate, and that is why there is destruction. Sometimes it's of the physical plane, sometimes the subtle planes. Life is a big cycle, as the Mayans, and many other civilizations and religions held true.

God floods the world because man is wicked, God promises not the flood the world again because man can't help but to be wicked.
Sounds closer to redundancy.

[Beckys_Mom]

Rlyeh, on 08 October 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

God floods the world because man is wicked, God promises not the flood the world again because man can't help but to be wicked.
Sounds closer to redundancy.

Sounds like God changes his mind.. I'll flood to wipe out the wicked sin...that I knew would take place before hand.. Later I'll change my mind and say - Ok I'm done, no more splish splah shows..you guys are on your own..you suck and I am done with you all..C-ya, wouldn't want to be ya !!

[Jinxdom]

I can never look at the Abrahamic God as God but more like a deity like Zeus who happens to have the name God just to confused people. Which makes the whole thing kinda fun in a sick way. If God was purely all that omni words then he wouldn't be the Abrahamic God and would be more of a neutral type almost like nature.

You would also have to define what "Good" is in this context because everybody has a different version of what is good. The bible's version of good "listen to god or else" is completely different from my version of good(don't be a prick which would make the bible's god very very very evil in my book).

[Beckys_Mom]

Yes god has to be good, I command him to.. If he chooses not to, he will go to the  sin bin ..lol



Sin bin was a time out corner at my old primary school..I spent many  afternoons there !!

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 08 October 2012 - 09:57 AM.

[Jinxdom]

rofl sin bin is the name of a porn shop in the city I live in.

[CommunitarianKevin]

wanderer_, on 07 October 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

If you don't want to say he's "good" then, will you at least agree that he does what is necessary? If there is a creating aspect of God, then there must too be a destructive aspect. When the world sinks too far away from God, dissolution is necessary to maintain order. If we didn't stray from God in the first place it wouldn't be necessary, but alas, that is the fate, and that is why there is destruction. Sometimes it's of the physical plane, sometimes the subtle planes. Life is a big cycle, as the Mayans, and many other civilizations and religions held true.

Does God do something because he knows it is necessary or is it necessary because God says so?

Edited by HuttonEtAl, 08 October 2012 - 12:50 PM.

[Beany]

I think what's important is that we are good, not God. And Mother Earth will have her cataclysms, they're a phenomena of the natural world. Re: the flood,l I've said this elsewhere, China had a written history at the time and made no record or note of a flood or inundation of any kind.

[Seeker79]

HuttonEtAl, on 08 October 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

Does God do something because he knows it is necessary or is it necessary because God says so?

Or.... Is god good because he says he is good or is there something above god that defines god as good or bad. If he just is good because he says he is good, is that worthy of worship.

Read about Thomas Aquinas and natural law. a logical nessesity for any religion to have a "good" god, but is not compatable with omnipotence.

Edited by Seeker79, 09 October 2012 - 01:37 PM.

[wolfknight]

We are taught as christians that God is all loving all healing all forgiving. Ofcourse the bible was written by man.

[Seeker79]

wolfknight, on 09 October 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

We are taught as christians that God is all loving all healing all forgiving. Ofcourse the bible was written by man.

We are taught a lot of things..,. But to be men/women we have to investigate things.. It's out duty to our  children and god, and we were designed not to be satisfied for a reason. .

[CommunitarianKevin]

Beany, on 08 October 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

I think what's important is that we are good, not God. And Mother Earth will have her cataclysms, they're a phenomena of the natural world. Re: the flood,l I've said this elsewhere, China had a written history at the time and made no record or note of a flood or inundation of any kind.

We are good? Delusion...

Seeker79, on 09 October 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Or.... Is god good because he says he is good or is there something above god that defines god as good or bad. If he just is good because he says he is good, is that worthy of worship.

Read about Thomas Aquinas and natural law. a logical nessesity for any religion to have a "good" god, but is not compatable with omnipotence.

That is also another good question. Haven't read a ton of Aquinas, but based on what I have read, he deserves more credit than people give him.

[Vivid_Dreamer]

wanderer_, on 07 October 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

You guys don't have to agree with me. I do firmly believe this, and yes I've explored other options.
There are differences in religions, of course. They are still each their own respective paths--but to the same ultimate reality of things. And to get to the ultimate truth of reality, you need to look at the similarities.

Before people even had concepts of aliens, there was religion. Think about that.

Wait what? Did you even look up when Alien like beings were being drawn on cave walls?
Do you know how many pictures in caves look quite alien like? Oddly enough just happened to be in the same era when we started writing about religion and the idea of God(s) started to take root.....and actually I'm pretty sure most of the first religions that started poping up in the world started out with a Multi-God belief system. If I were ancient man and saw alien beings come around I'd assume that these separate beings were all Gods.

[braveone2u]

Beckys_Mom, on 08 October 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

you guys are on your own..you suck and I am done with you all..C-ya, wouldn't want to be ya !!

It seems that way, doesn't it?? The God of the Bible has gone into hiding...or something. He was very physical in ancient times and now, zilch. Perhaps it's a good thing? Curious, indeed.

Edited by braveone2u, 10 October 2012 - 08:18 PM.