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#136    cormac mac airt

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:55 PM

View Postbee, on 10 October 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

because he has an agenda......?

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Riiiiiight! Because everyone MUST have an agenda. Your excuse reeks of paranoia.

Like Harte and others I know, I was fooled into believing alot of BS when I was younger. It was only when I delved into the facts that I found out I was being lied to by people who wouldn't know their butt's from a hole in the ground. Which is why I present what I can, where I can. People should be made aware of when they're being lied to by people with no idea of what they're talking about.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 07:25 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 10 October 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

Riiiiiight! Because everyone MUST have an agenda.


of course he has an agenda.....you're an intelligent person so you must see that.

the whole thing was funded and got together by a evangelical christian ministry

c'mon

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 08:02 PM

View Postbee, on 10 October 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

of course he has an agenda.....you're an intelligent person so you must see that.

the whole thing was funded and got together by a evangelical christian ministry

c'mon

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Who he's funded by isn't going to prevent him from presenting the actual, verifiable evidence. Your argument works against you. A good example of which would by Dr. Mark Lehner, whose original forays into archaeology/Egyptology were funded by the Edgar Cayce Foundation. Yet his research and excavations have done much not only to prove the ECF wrong, but to further our knowledge of Ancient Egyptian Society.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:07 AM

I still don't see why White's religion should be regarded as an issue, nor why the funding of his video should matter. Practicing one's faith and arguing against ancient-alien intervention are two entirely separate things.

I couldn't care less what White's religious beliefs are...so long as he doesn't knock on my door to hand out pamphlets. :lol:

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:48 AM

I think that by questioning his religious views Bee is trying to infer that his site (a very good one,if i say so myself )is in some way suspect as a result.

This is what the fringe do when presented with evidence which they cannot refute.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 03:50 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 08 October 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

I believe that AA also says that the opinions of the various "experts" are those of that expert. So they do plenty of CYA (Cover your A##). I do think that the AA Site and the show should have a more clear disclaimer that this is Entertainment and not a Doumentary series.

Your right they do a good job of covering there A## which is why its such a good show. Because any of the information they state on there(and im talking about the mainstream Science) can be verified by a quick Google Search where you can formulate your own opionion on the Mythology presenented in the show.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 01:30 PM

View PostHarte, on 07 October 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Chris White and Michael Heiser took a few moments to squash Giorgio & Co.  Actually, a pretty good thuumping of the Greek Melon (head.)

It's at this site.
It's a three hour vid if you watch the whole thing.  White has broken it into pieces concerning the various claims, and includes some text on each page with the shorter clips.

A sampling from the textual section concerning PumaPunku:


Believers have no choice but to concede or stamp their feet and cry 'No Fair!" :cry:

These are the various sections available for viewing individually:


Megalithic sites:
Intro, Puma Punku, The Pyramids, Baalbek, Incan sites, Easter Island.

Ancient artifacts:
Pacal’s rocket, The Nazca Lines, Tolima “fighter jets”, Egyptian “light bulb”, Ufo’s in ancient art, The crystal skulls

Ancient text issues:
Ezekiel’s Wheel, Ancient nuclear warfare, Vimana’s, Anunnaki, Nephilim, Misc. and conclusion



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I never really paid much attention to those perticulars on the show tbh Harte, it was more just exploring theories and get me thinking in order to understand what I wanted to get from the new side of paranormal I was stepping into. They are all pretty see through by the way they cut off before answering the actual question. Some things they brought up like the figurines and astrotravel parafenalia is to me pretty obvious they simply depict what they see, if there was no reason to draw breath packs and dome helmets they wouldn't have done so.
They teach the best rule of thumb to this whole world of paranormal. Prepare the bull****-o-metre and if you don't believe and have no will about the theory don't bother yourself with it and pass on to a better.

why is everyone so &^%$ing concerned with "the end"...
new beginnings is what you should be concerned about...

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:24 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 11 October 2012 - 02:07 AM, said:

I still don't see why White's religion should be regarded as an issue, nor why the funding of his video should matter. Practicing one's faith and arguing against ancient-alien intervention are two entirely separate things.

I couldn't care less what White's religious beliefs are...so long as he doesn't knock on my door to hand out pamphlets. :lol:

Here's a leafelt at your back door, big guy. why not stop for a little review?  How's it going? See you hit the big time, Mr. Moderator?.  Long time no see, big guy.  The door way swings to shut and the alignment nears.   Listen close or miss the conclusion  I'd fear?  T-minus less than forty and counting. as far as the astronomical clock is concerened, hope you brought the popcorn ole' friend.   Time in its refernce is not only watching but listening.  Are you?  Venus slipped around earlier this June in a solar ecliptic unprescedented in thousands of years, now it appears again 180 degrees at our back door as the other planets align and the solar eclipse resolves.  Seems everyone believes the 'Mayans' were 'spaced out' in their observance of the space time continnuum/  Truth is no one was really listening (given the disgusting substantiousness of histoical reference). Forty days have gone by since the arousal of Hurricane Sandy in the midst of the Atlantic upheavel, forty nights continue to pass as the day draws near.  Time in its' essence as we as as the present civilization understand it, stops to ponder an existence, while change comes in an astronomical essence to obseve the reminder. or should I say REMAINDER???  Look to the East my friend....

Edited by Time Spy, 24 November 2012 - 05:57 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 06:26 AM

And what were you smoking while you were posting?


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:48 AM

View PostTime Spy, on 24 November 2012 - 05:24 AM, said:

Here's a leafelt at your back door, big guy. why not stop for a little review?  How's it going? See you hit the big time, Mr. Moderator?.  Long time no see, big guy.  The door way swings to shut and the alignment nears.   Listen close or miss the conclusion  I'd fear?  T-minus less than forty and counting. as far as the astronomical clock is concerened, hope you brought the popcorn ole' friend.   Time in its refernce is not only watching but listening.  Are you?  Venus slipped around earlier this June in a solar ecliptic unprescedented in thousands of years, now it appears again 180 degrees at our back door as the other planets align and the solar eclipse resolves.  Seems everyone believes the 'Mayans' were 'spaced out' in their observance of the space time continnuum/  Truth is no one was really listening (given the disgusting substantiousness of histoical reference). Forty days have gone by since the arousal of Hurricane Sandy in the midst of the Atlantic upheavel, forty nights continue to pass as the day draws near.  Time in its' essence as we as as the present civilization understand it, stops to ponder an existence, while change comes in an astronomical essence to obseve the reminder. or should I say REMAINDER???  Look to the East my friend....

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< YT links over there might be better, but I'm not sure how else to respond to that...


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 01:02 PM

To be honest, when I saw the first episode of ancient aliens i was amazed :)
I found it entertaining and somewhat educational.
On the other hand, the link you posted about AAD is interesting. I'm definitely going to read it :)

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:47 AM

View PostTime Spy, on 24 November 2012 - 05:24 AM, said:

Here's a leafelt at your back door, big guy. why not stop for a little review?  How's it going? See you hit the big time, Mr. Moderator?.  Long time no see, big guy.  The door way swings to shut and the alignment nears.   Listen close or miss the conclusion  I'd fear?  T-minus less than forty and counting. as far as the astronomical clock is concerened, hope you brought the popcorn ole' friend.   Time in its refernce is not only watching but listening.  Are you?  Venus slipped around earlier this June in a solar ecliptic unprescedented in thousands of years, now it appears again 180 degrees at our back door as the other planets align and the solar eclipse resolves.  Seems everyone believes the 'Mayans' were 'spaced out' in their observance of the space time continnuum/  Truth is no one was really listening (given the disgusting substantiousness of histoical reference). Forty days have gone by since the arousal of Hurricane Sandy in the midst of the Atlantic upheavel, forty nights continue to pass as the day draws near.  Time in its' essence as we as as the present civilization understand it, stops to ponder an existence, while change comes in an astronomical essence to obseve the reminder. or should I say REMAINDER???  Look to the East my friend....

Hello, Time Spy. Haven't seen you in a while.

I confess I've read your post several times and cannot seem to understand most of what you were saying. But as for the Mayans, I don't know of anyone who thinks they're "spaced out." Well, perhaps New Agers do, but they tend to be spaced out in the first place, so from them it would be a compliment. And in most instances the Mayans are misinterpreted on a comical scale, usually by fringe writers. They never said the earth would be destroyed. Might be the stuff of movies, but it's not the stuff of reality.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 12:41 PM

The OP Link is (IMO) is the best proof that: (1) Mankind of that time were a lot more knowledgable than we ever give them credit for today. (2) Aliens (if they exist) did not come to earh and build/teach/influence earlier civilisations on how to build anything!!!  (3) Clearing up this whole pointless debate!!

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 03:33 PM

I thought AA was a very entertaining series and quite well made too. It will be an introduction to amazing achievements of history to many people. There was many things and places I never knew about. If I search any of the sites for more footage in Youtube, then the first given choice is always AA, most of the time it's the most professional looking stuff as well. If the alien stuff and the huge exaggeration of some issues is removed then AA might be a basis for a more serious series, which probably is prepared somewhere.

White's debunking is very good too, what I saw from it. A lot of work has gone in to that but I just keep on wondering if he should have made something else with his time. Like a real and serious series about the same issues.

I don't believe in aliens or gods and to me AA is actually a celebration of the achievements of mankind. It is amazing to think that they did all that advanced stuff we can't explain today. At least I know that the belief in aliens and gods make people do big things


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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:58 PM

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So what are the stones at Puma Punku made of....?

I was having a bit of a look around to see who was correct...Ancient Aliens or Chris White.


It's hard to pin it down but maybe they are both right and both wrong (in terms of selectivity)

There is this video talking about diorite at Puma Punku....






and on this discussion forum one poster says this...

http://www.disclose....-t79004-40.html


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I watched this DEBUNKING video all of it. I love ancient history and i only want the truth and try to imagine it from all these ideas and i care less who is right or wrong i only want the truth.

I am a fan of ancient aliens watch it all the time, and even before this debunking video i did notice a few small things like weight errors ect ect but nothing that changed it or made it less believable.

This video does point out a few good things but they play the same games to try to get you to believe a lie.
like:

Ancient aliens say's puma punku rocks are red granite, diorite and andesite..

Debunker says Red sandstone and andesite..

Well fact is they are both are not being very detailed since puma punku is made up of red sandstone, red granite, gray diorite and andesite.

the groove cuts with holes were in the gray diorite wich debunker was calling red sandstone and with sandstone pictures.

debunker was right the largest rock is sandstone wich ancient aliens said was red granite



then on this site..


http://paleocontact....ontact/theme/5/



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In the language of Quechua "Puma Punku" means "Gate of the Puma." The total area is about 2 square meters. km. In general it is a mound on top lined with large blocks of red granite, gray diorite and andesite - very solid natural materials, however, treated with incredible accuracy and precision.


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The largest stone monolith Puma Punku is a block of red sandstone


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For example, the Puma Punku see the huge diorite boulders over a meter in height, not just carefully crafted, and having a thickness of 6 mm groove running along the entire height.



I'm not taking a position on 'aliens or human ancestors' when it comes to Puma Punku,

but it looks like Chris White is being (at least) as economical with the truth as Ancient Aliens.

???


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Edited by bee, 29 November 2012 - 01:00 PM.

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