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[MidKn13ght]

I can hardly call todays music ..."music".....  All it is these days is sampling and remixing..... its as bad as the movie industry ...... no one has an orginal idea and if they do its completely trashed by the media and society because it is a new concept ..... So artist(loosely said)  run to the past to find things that they know will sell.....  There are a few good artist these days but rare.....

[John Rayne]

_Only, on 10 October 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

I agree, except he cherry picked those two songs for hyperbole's sake. You can find much more relevant and real songs with meaning from most any artist, Beyonce included:




Not hearing that song except reading the lyrics, I could imagine it as a Paul McCartney tune sung to a lone piano, and would be none the wiser.

To compare a hero among song writer/performers to mainly unknown ghost writers of song lyrics is unfair.

Cut lyrics...

I agreed with Biff, but I also agree with you and the good point that you made that the songs chosen were not fair. I guess you could take a crappy song and compare to a classic and it wouldn't stand up, in my point of view, song choice or not, what is acceptable these days has diminished. I am a general contractor and I see it everyday in construction. We now live in a disposable world where it is accepted that cheap and quick is better than quality and lasting...

Edited by John Rayne, 10 October 2012 - 10:21 PM.

[Junior Chubb]

_Only, on 10 October 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

I agree, except he cherry picked those two songs for hyperbole's sake.

Thats what made it so good.

It is difficult to compare what is essentially 'party music' to something with a bit more substance. 'Run the world (Girls)' goes down well in a club environment and that is exactly what it is meant for. I would rather hear that in a club than Bohemian Rhapsody but would not play it by choice at home or in my car...

[Melo -]

What music today is lacking are lyrics and videos that aren't morally degregatory... Rock is great but rap is a contributing force in todays lowered age limit on our w h o r e s  :°  lol

[Barnabas Collins]

Melo -, on 10 October 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

What music today is lacking are lyrics and videos that aren't morally degregatory... Rock is great but rap is a contributing force in todays lowered age limit on our w h o r e s  :°  lol

Damn, kid... you sound crazier than the OP.
Our whores? With that attitude, look forward to being forever alone.

[Jinxdom]

There really is more to music then the radio, vh1, and mtv....People hate on rap but there are people out there Krizz Kaliko whose basically rap.... and he sing's gospel music.... His music is varied from party music to song's that hit your soul and there are more artists like that but they would never hit the mainstream.

Melo -, on 10 October 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Rock is great but rap is a contributing force in todays lowered age limit on our w h o r e s  :°  lol

Yes because rock is so much better with songs like porn star dancing, crazy b****, bad girlfriend, something in your mouth, and oh hell I could go on all day lol. I could make a list for every other genre(That has lyrics would be hard pressed for ones like classical) as well it's not just a rap thing.

[unit]

the OP is on to something here

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Why is it musics job to pay attention to the suffering masses?

music tames the savage beast.

the potential is there...
...if music isn't being used on the suffering masses, it's a waste of potential..

that's why they have all the imagery and messages in the music,
.. the delivery mechanism is not going to waste.. it's being used to waste and destroy those who listen to it.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

unit, on 11 October 2012 - 03:53 AM, said:

the OP is on to something here

from page 1

music tames the savage beast.

the potential is there...
...if music isn't being used on the suffering masses, it's a waste of potential..

that's why they have all the imagery and messages in the music,
.. the delivery mechanism is not going to waste.. it's being used to waste and destroy those who listen to it.

Sorry to be a pedant, but it's breast, not beast.
It's not often you get an opportunity to say that.

[Barnabas Collins]

747400, on 11 October 2012 - 06:49 AM, said:

Sorry to be a pedant, but it's breast, not beast.
It's not often you get an opportunity to say that.

So... you're suggesting modern music needs more savage breasts?

[Taun]

Corpse Dicer, on 11 October 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

So... you're suggesting modern music needs more savage breasts?

Don't we all?...

There have been some really good points made by many... Personnally I do think that current main stream music is lacking a few things... but then my perception is that of who I am (age, background, etc)...

The really great songs from my youth and teens - early twenties - had a message... They were about something...  I didn't always agree with the point of view of the songwriter, but the message grabbed you...  The songs made me actually think...

The great songs of my youth seemed to be 'crusading songs' - socially questioning and even rebellious at times...  It seems to me that perhaps the current youthful generation lacks a 'cause' for music to hook into...

Also, one of the "problems" I have with current music is that due to my age and my 'cultural background' I am not really part of the target audience... They are not really singing to me... So I have a harder time connecting to the song...

[ILRNouda]

I can think of several things missing in music these day. But one thing that isn't, and SHOULD be gone, is the frelling synth. Grime, dubstep and dance pop have taken over the universe. There are no genres anymore, its all blended into one dance mash up with overused effects such a the vocoder... that has destroyed music as we knew it.

Timbaland is striving to bring back old school hip hop. Eminem, Drake have never moved away from this - thank GOD!.
Def Leppard, Aerosmith, Nickelback and Korn have never deviated from their genres.

I can't actually think of anyone else that hasn't been swallowed by the dance remix monster.

[Junior Chubb]

i.l.r.nouda11, on 11 October 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

Eminem, Drake have never moved away from this - thank GOD!.

My initial response to your post was...

Eminem first successful album could be described as 'old skool' or 'real' hip hop, but he has produced pop music with swearing in it from there on in, when was Drake ever 'Old Skool'?

But reading it back it seems a bit unfair to challenge your opinions...

This is the trouble with music, with a lot of topics discussed on UM there are rights or wrongs, facts and fiction. With  music it is all opinion, i.l.r.nouda11 will get back to me defending her opinion, we could argue until we a blue in the face with neither of us having any proof of who is right or wrong...

Again with the 'question' of deviating from your genre, surely that is a good thing, a sign of growth and change maybe maturity or worse in that they have worked out the best way to increase royalties, either way it can be frustrating for fans.

Edited by Junior Chubb, 11 October 2012 - 08:05 PM.

[Orcseeker]

i.l.r.nouda11, on 11 October 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

Timbaland is striving to bring back old school hip hop. Eminem, Drake have never moved away from this - thank GOD!.
Def Leppard, Aerosmith, Nickelback and Korn have never deviated from their genres.

I can't actually think of anyone else that hasn't been swallowed by the dance remix monster.

Drake is a huge sellout... If you want to listen to great music there is PLENTY out there being produced. Sadly, if you don't have a massive producer it won't get heard. That's why artists sellout these days, sure you have to conform to whatever they outline in the contact, produce what you are told to and generally change or deviate your image to "fit with the times" they like to call it.

I remember listening to club music years ago, it was good stuff. And I thought to myself, "why isn't this on radio?" A couple of years later it is and I think, "What abombination have I conceived...". I hear the same uninspired beat in so many "songs". Nikki Minaj is a bane of humanity. Those who listen to this music can't possibly like that dribble.

Most I believe like it simply because someone else does, the factor of fame deviates them from what they actually enjoy, a terrible state our world is in today.

[Amy the Mighty]

Music is art, even the s**t music. Art isn't defined as art simply because people like it. Some of the best art is the art that challenges your ideas and opinions. Some of the best art is the stuff that confronts you. Art is a path to stimulating and developing your intellect and your emotional depth.

There is music I like, and music I hate. I think Eminem is a little whingey b*******, but I can appreciate that his stuff is technically brilliant. I can understand why people like him. He's still an artist. He's just not an artist I enjoy. If you're being offended by music, because it's loud and angry or you don't like the words, that is not a reason to eliminate the music you don't like. That's a catalyst for you to think "what is it about this piece of music that makes me feel this way, and why?"

On a tangent, I think that this urge to sanitise everything before it is acceptable to people of faith, drives a wedge between people of faith, and everyone else. I would suggest that you can't be out in the world, making a positive difference, doing what Christ wants you to do, if you are too offended by the breadth of painful, negative human experience, to relate to other people. Human experience is not all sunshine and unicorns. If the worst people you've ever encountered are those that like Norwegian death metal, life will be full of surprises for you. Faith is not interchangeable with "being scared of everything I don't like."

In Australia, we have Triple J, which plays lots of Australian and overseas alternative modern music. They have an annual "Unearthed" competition, like a Battle Of The Bands, but all over the country. I am sure they have online streaming for all you foreigners. In Australia, you don't have to listen to Top40 pop diarhorea. I am sure there is online streaming for people from overseas. I remember it being really good, but that was a few years ago, and now I am secretly a 50+ man who only listens to talkback radio.

Wearer of Hats, on 09 October 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:


interesting, there's a theory that both dolphins and whales actually sing for enjoyment no jut communication whereas birds (on the whole) do it for sex and territoriality.


There was something on a rerun of Catalyst last night, where they slowed down the audio from some mice in a lab, and you could hear the mice "singing" these really long squeaks that we humans couldn't pick up without the recording equipment.

Likely Guy, on 10 October 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

Again, on behalf of the nation of Canada, we sincerely apologize for Justin Bieber... and Celine Dion... and Nickelback.

You will never need to apologise for Anne Murray. I can forgive all the Nickleback you throw at me, because of Anne Murray.

[Tesla II]

MidKn13ght, on 10 October 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

I can hardly call todays music ..."music".....  All it is these days is sampling and remixing..... its as bad as the movie industry ...... no one has an orginal idea and if they do its completely trashed by the media and society because it is a new concept ..... So artist(loosely said)  run to the past to find things that they know will sell.....  There are a few good artist these days but rare.....

Agree so true... And in the end you hear a track from 80s being remixed in-to a poorly made mix, which has superb quality and clean sound, but missing the main ingredient melody and feeling... Today music doesn't have great and positive melodies, instead it offers us few synth shots, too much bass, and too much braking for dance/pop/club music. And with this dubstep genre on the rise, music gets horrific... like you said that is not music...Sorry for being subjective..