Whenever there is a discussion about topics like these, there is generally the two vocal sides, the 'believers' and the 'debunkers/skeptics'. Those who are in the middle usually don't say much and probably because they haven't formed an opinion or don't know many of the facts, but regardless. I'm not new to the subject of ET's and UFO's, it's not a professional hobby, but it's a passionate hobby that I do quite a bit of reading on and sleuthing for details. It's become apparent to me now and after spending some time on this board & in this topic, some of you have done a lot more investigation on this event and know more of the facts than I do. Some of you seem to be extremely mathematically gifted and I admitted (more or less) that math isn't my strong point.
Anyway, speaking about the debunkers/skeptics, I've generally found that they are very closed to accepting things that can't be 100% explained, either by science, math or even religion and without every last 'i' dotted and 't' crossed. This doesn't just apply to this message board, it's a constant anywhere. For this group of people there is only black or white. There cannot be any unknowns and they don't seem to be willing or able to admit to grey areas. If details aren't backed and fully supported by scientific principles then the event, situation, case or phenomena is automatically bogus and case closed. Realistically our world is FULL of unknowns and science and math simply cannot definitively prove certain things.
Obviously, I am entrenched in the 'believer' camp and side of the coin. Speaking for myself, I am skeptical in my own way. I don't believe everything I read or watch and I do investigate situations in more detail than some might do. I will admit too that I also allow my gut feelings and intuition to guide my conclusions to an extent. I feel that most 'believers' have a similar mindset to mine and WITHOUT disregarding factual evidence either. Believers seem to be more willing to consider alternate ideas or theories, whereas the skeptics don't seem to be able to do this. Of course this is a generalization, but it's what I've experienced in my 38 years of life.
Alas, I also appreciate the engaging conversations about this topic. I was reluctant and unhappy to involve myself in arguing whether it was a real event or not. I HAVE learned some things about this specific event. I do believe that the one video is probably showing flares fall behind the mountains BUT, and as I maintain, I feel that that was a diversion by the military to confuse the real events of that night over Phoenix in 1997!
Regarding the reason why there were no pictures able to capture a solid craft blocking out the stars, it's probably because that level of detail wouldn't have shown up in a photo. You'd need a really good camera to even register stars on a photo first off and in a artificially bright city like Phoenix. Secondly, the witnesses said the craft was nearly the colour of the sky itself. These two factors would have not allowed this particular eye witness report detail to be seen in photos at that time, in 1997.
Edited by Bionic Bigfoot, 12 October 2012 - 05:06 PM.