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#466    badeskov

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:51 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 14 October 2012 - 03:49 AM, said:

Good to hear Bade, it was laggy for me when I first clicked it.  Seems more normal now though as I'm watching it again.  Damn I'm a glutton for punishment.  :P

Hahaha...I just had to click it since you said it was laggy :P I have seen it a couple of times before and to put it mildly, I was not impressed.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:53 AM

View Postsynchronomy, on 14 October 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

In the video window it says, "We're sorry, this video is not currently available in this country."
Dear God!  What have we done!
We're just a friendly bunch of bacon eatin', beer chugging socialists! :innocent:

that has happened to me before whilst travelling.... for instance some bmg music videos are inaccessible in germany... u can simply use a proxy to solve the problem, it basically changes your ip... hope that helps :su


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:03 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 14 October 2012 - 03:47 AM, said:

What are you talkin' aboot?  Crazy eh?  Friggin' hozers!

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The only other suggestion I have is to try a torrent.  I know they are out there.  Good luck, though your efforts are honestly not likely to yield the benefits hoped for.  It really is one of the worst documentaries on this topic.  Did you read through my partial transcript and commentary from earlier?
Honestly, much of my day has been occupied with this thread...lol
I've read every post, and yes I read your transcript...and I have to be honest, I see your point(s)...but I wanted to do my own evaluation.
I have probably seen the video before because I've seen damn near everything on Youtube relating to the subject at hand.
I can't understand them blocking it.
Perhaps it infringes on some stupid Canadian content legislation here.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:07 AM

View Postmcrom901, on 14 October 2012 - 03:53 AM, said:

that has happened to me before whilst travelling.... for instance some bmg music videos are inaccessible in germany... u can simply use a proxy to solve the problem, it basically changes your ip... hope that helps :su

I didn't even think of this, but yes you are absolutely right!  Find a proxy and you'll be able to bypass those annoying border restrictions with ease synchronomy.  Excellent point mcrom!  Good to have your contributions when you aren't so busy with the LDS...  :P


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:09 AM

Pardon me for budging in here :P

View Postsynchronomy, on 14 October 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

Honestly, much of my day has been occupied with this thread...lol

It happens ;)

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I've read every post, and yes I read your transcript...and I have to be honest, I see your point(s)...but I wanted to do my own evaluation.

Please do. nothing better than forming your own opinion on the subject matter.

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I have probably seen the video before because I've seen damn near everything on Youtube relating to the subject at hand.

If you have watched that much, then most likely you have come across this as well.

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I can't understand them blocking it.
Perhaps it infringes on some stupid Canadian content legislation here.

No, not very likely. In my experience it is a typical money thingie. When they distribute within the US it usually generates some revenue given that it is through the usual providers that pay them. I could be wrong, of course.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:10 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 14 October 2012 - 04:07 AM, said:

I didn't even think of this, but yes you are absolutely right!  Find a proxy and you'll be able to bypass those annoying border restrictions with ease synchronomy.  Excellent point mcrom!  Good to have your contributions when you aren't so busy with the LDS...  :P

As a frequent traveller I have a few I use :P

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:13 AM

View Postsynchronomy, on 14 October 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

Honestly, much of my day has been occupied with this thread...lol
I've read every post, and yes I read your transcript...and I have to be honest, I see your point(s)...but I wanted to do my own evaluation.
I have probably seen the video before because I've seen damn near everything on Youtube relating to the subject at hand.
I can't understand them blocking it.
Perhaps it infringes on some stupid Canadian content legislation here.

Indeed.  This thread has occupied the majority of my day as well.  Which just goes to show that there is still plenty to talk about regarding the Phoenix Lights, even for someone such as myself who has devoted an embarrassingly large number of hours (read this as days/months/years for full accuracy...) into research of the topic.  :blush:

By all means I look forward to your own personal evaluation of this film.  The production value is high.  I can see the potential that may have been originally aimed at.  But at the same time Larry Lowe presented a one sided case, and he presented it badly.

Anyway, I'll await your own perspective.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:33 AM

View PostBionic Bigfoot, on 14 October 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

I sure hope you keep on fighting the good fight, MacGuffin, but I understand if you don't want to continue as well.  I obviously believe the things you've said and say because I know in my gut that ET's are here and have been for a very long time.  

I agree with your sentiment about the good McG.  I'd like to see him stick around and continue presenting his unique perspective.  I have a feeling that he hasn't divulged everything that he has to share yet, and I for one would love to see what he has up his sleeves.  :tu:

As for your gut feelings, I must raise a relevant question.  What makes your gut feelings on the topic valid?  How exactly can you know that ET is here and has been visiting for a very long time?  These are honest questions and I hope that you can expound upon them with something verifiable.  Despite anyone's perceptions about me or my intentions, I've been on a quest to find some verifiable proof for a very long time just like many others.  I'd love nothing less than to see that compelling Exhibit A that Hazzard talks about from time to time.  If you have it, let's see it, by all means!  :)



View PostBionic Bigfoot, on 14 October 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

In the end, this debate is pointless and really serves little purpose.  There are those who are going to dismiss it no matter what and there are those who will believe the story and the 1000's of witnesses who saw something very unusual on that night in Phoenix.  I never intended this topic to turn into a huge debate either as some of you know and remembered.

This debate serves a very large purpose and is far from pointless.  This debate is about validating the potential reasoning behind acceptance of what we'd all like to be true; alien visitation.  Don't think for even a moment that I don't want this to be true.  I do, with all of my heart.  I'd love to walk outside and see an alien vehicle, so long as it didn't start firing green **** at me of course...  :P

Who wouldn't?  How awesome would that be to have validation of our hopes that we aren't alone in the universe?  It would be unbelievably awesome.

The fact that this hasn't happened yet isn't the fault of people who are skeptical that this hopeful eventuality has already happened.  It isn't the fault of people who aren't ready to jump to such conclusions after reading about, hearing about, and studying events which have been reported by others as unexplainable.

It isn't anyone's fault at all.

It just is.

Unfortunately.



View PostBionic Bigfoot, on 14 October 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

This incident is only one of many that have occurred throughout the years in various locations around the globe.  Most of us are familiar with the well known cases and sadly, all of them and their details have been tainted by lies, cover ups and disinformation.  

This is indeed one of many reported incidences throughout the world.  If you take the time to look into all of them, including this one, with enough open, honest, and intensive study you'll find that none of them provide the proof that we'd all like to see.  This has nothing to do with lies, coverups, or disinformation.  It merely has to do with the simple fact that they aren't as substantial as we'd all like them to be.

There is a lot of interesting and mysterious stuff in each of them, but that doesn't mean ET is here.  All that means is that there is ambiguity.  Since when has ambiguity equaled ET?

Don't get me wrong.  ET most certainly could be involved in some of these cases, famous or otherwise, but until there is a verifiable reason to reach this conclusion definitively, why should we?



View PostBionic Bigfoot, on 14 October 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

The governments of the world and specifically the US government have been hiding the real facts about UFO's and aliens from the people for at least 60 years.  Myself, MacGuffin and I'm sure plenty of others on this board would agree to this.  When you look at the big picture of all that's transpired over the years, all the bizarre events as a whole, it becomes painfully clear that the UFO phenomenon is real.  People will form their own opinions on the subject and usually without being convinced or swayed by others.  

Without a doubt the UFO phenomenon is real.  It is as real as the nose on your face.  I agree wholeheartedly.

I also agree that governments, including that of the United States, have secrecy on many topics including UFOs.  How could they not?  National security is a primary concern, and unidentified objects in one's airspace would need some attention, especially at the beginning of the Cold War when all of this UFO business initially took root.

Is it still of concern today?  Certainly.  I have no doubt of it.  But that doesn't mean that the government has any secrets related to alien visitation.  Could they?  Sure, I suppose, but there is no reason to jump to this conclusion when there are so many other explanations that are so close to home.

Hynek knew this well when he said:

"I have come to support less and less the idea that UFOs are 'nuts and bolts' spacecrafts from other worlds. There are just too many things going against this theory. To me, it seems ridiculous that super intelligences would travel great distances to do relatively stupid things like stop cars, collect soil samples, and frighten people. I think we must begin to re-examine the evidence. We must begin to look closer to home."


He also knew it well when he paid a visit to Hessdalen during the early days of scientific investigation there, shortly before his unfortunate death.




Watch this next one if you intend to only watch one of these...



This isn't to say that ET wouldn't do things like taking soil samples by the way.  I'm sure they would, just as we would.  They would also probably pick up and examine indigenous life, or abduct people if you prefer, but have they actually done these things?  Are they actually here doing that?  I don't know, and I don't know because there is insufficient evidence to reach this conclusion with any measure of confidence.

If anyone can provide this evidence, I'm willing to examine it.  I've reviewed tons of what has been provided, perhaps not all, but I've easily devoted several years (when measured from a pure time standpoint) to this question.  So far, nothing substantial.  Tons and tons of very interesting and even compelling stories, but absolutely nothing substantial.  Zero.



View PostBionic Bigfoot, on 14 October 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

Booyzarc is either trying extremely hard to convince me that the Phoenix lights incident was nothing UFO related or he's doing it for others who will come to read this topic at a later date. You are an excellent debater Boony, truly!  You should run for office, wait, scratch that. ;)  

Thank you for this compliment, though I have no intention or desire to run for office.  That said, if I were to be elected student body president, I would demand that Firefly be brought back to television and I would quadruple their operating and special effects budget.  May the executives at 20th Century Fox Television burn in eternal Hell for canceling the best show ever produced for TV.

Ahem.

Sorry for that diversion...

:blush:

Oh, free beer for all that want it.  And free tea or coffee for those that don't.  And renewed space exploration, funded by overly wealthy corporations.  Free universal health care.  Focus on education and resource development.  Etc...  whatever makes you warm and fuzzy, it's on my ticket.  Vote for booNy!!!!

:P

Yeah, I'd make a horrible politician.  :lol:



View PostBionic Bigfoot, on 14 October 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

However, I'm really not interested in trying to convince others about this case or any other.  Most people have already made up their minds one way or another on this entire subject,  I know I have and I know the skeptics have too.  Even if this particular case was found to be untrue tomorrow, completely and officially with some new startling information to close it tighter than a steel drum, I would still believe that aliens in their UFO's have been visiting us for eons.  And why...because there have just been too many things that are unexplained and I don't believe what we've been told by our leaders in government, period.  All their secrecy and flip flopping, lies and mistruths about the subject has actually fueled the fire and reason people believe something more is going on.  They've done it to themselves really and this is the end result, more and more people believing that we are being visited and that UFO's are real. Of course too,  when you have your own first hand sighting that doesn't hurt either.

This is a very compelling monologue, without a doubt.  At the same time, it isn't very convincing in the grand scheme of things.  I admire your conviction, but I also find it unfounded.  I'd love nothing less than to agree with you on these points, but reality dictates that we have nothing truly convincing upon which to base such conclusions.  Admittedly we all want this to be true, myself included, but no amount of wishful thinking will bring Santa down the chimney with our favored gift of choice, even if we leave milk and cookies on the table in anticipation.  We can leave our teeth under the pillow, but Mom and Dad are the ones replacing it with legal tender, not the Tooth Faerie.



View PostBionic Bigfoot, on 14 October 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

So to the skeptics posting in this topic, I think I'm done debating too.  I will still respond to this topic and especially if someone comes forward with new eyewitness testimony to the Phoenix event or has any other information to add to their previous accounts,

You can be done debating the topic, but it will continue regardless.  People will point out the same things that you and many before you have pointed out.  They will remain unsubstantiated and unconfirmed, as they always have been.  If not in this thread, it will appear in another.  This debate will continue to rage until definitive proof can be delivered.

The reality is that we ALL await that compelling Exhibit A which our friendly neighborhood Hazzard references in his signature.  Until that arrives the debate will vacillate between waning and thriving, and regardless of the words proffered in that debate there will be nothing definitive brought to the table until and unless there is something substantial to deliver.  I long for that day, but it hasn't yet arrived no matter how much you or anyone else wants to believe that it has.  I ache for that day.

And I hope that when it comes we aren't subjected to a Hollywood version involving the near extinction of our entire human race.  It really would suck if they showed up and started shooting green **** at us.  :P


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:45 AM

View PostNuke_em, on 13 October 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

They will ignore that FACT, and they will believe a source of lies our friend Mitch... and thrust me there is alot of fail logic on this forum, explanations that don't make any sense but people believe them so like i said .... frontlines... :gun:
Do you think it is at all significant that probably more than one million people didn't report seeing anything unusual that night?  

Would it surprise you that less than one percent of people can look into the sky and not know what they are looking at?


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:55 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 13 October 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

I think the actions of Gov. Symington, first making fun of the UFOs then becoming a Disclosure Project witness tell us a lot more ...
Could it be that half of what he says is only useful as fertiliser?


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:35 AM

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I think the fact that Phoenix is on the 33rd parallel is somehow relevant...

Roswell was also on the 33 degree latitude....

I think this latitude is important to do with magnetic / gravitational / light fields

and is probably used (with other geometricly aligned latitudes and earth positions)

by Beings from elsewhere (or interdimensionals) and by Human advanced technology.


But it's all a big secret so sshhhhhhhhhh.....lol




View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 13 October 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

I think you'd be quite aware and wise, myself.

be aware that 33 is a very important number to the Masons, too. Think there *might* be a connection?
You know how the Mason's depict the Kufu Pyramid on the dollar bill with tthe all-seeing eye as the capstone..

Masons and Mystery
at the 33rd Parallel


by Day Williams

http://www.hiddenmys...onic-33rd.shtml

interesting :--)


:tu:


the link is dead by the way....(mmmmmmmmmm :unsure2: )

I think there IS a link with the Masons, somehow...and that their famous secrets (in part?) do have a connection with ET and / or

Interdimensional Beings....and knowledge of the physics that are involved.

The 33rd degree latitude wouldn't just be a thin, little line....I think it would encompass around 3 degrees

with the 33rd in the middle.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Nautical_mile

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The nautical mile (symbol M, NM or nmi) is a unit of length that is about one minute of arc of latitude measured along any meridian, or about one minute of arc of longitude at the equator. By international agreement it is 1,852 metres (approximately 6,076 feet).


On closer inspection other famous historical UFO cases fall within this wide (3 degree?) parallel...


Battle of LA, California

Snowflake Arizona...Travis Walton

Stephensville Texas

http://en.wikipedia....henville,_Texas


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On January 8, 2008, Stephenville gained national media attention when dozens and later hundreds of residents reported observations of unidentified flying objects (UFOs). According to reports, residents observed several types of UFOs, the descriptions ranging from triangular looking craft to discs. Several residents described the crafts as the size of a football field, while others said they were nearly a mile long, similar to the historic Arizona mass sighting of March 13, 1997.[5] Some observers reported military aircraft pursuing the objects



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Posted 14 October 2012 - 09:00 AM

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Battle of LA, California

Snowflake Arizona...Travis Walton

Stephensville Texas

Roswell, New Mexico

Phoenix, Arizona


and......

Bermuda

(Bermuda triangle)


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:04 PM

View PostBionic Bigfoot, on 14 October 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

I sure hope you keep on fighting the good fight, MacGuffin, but I understand if you don't want to continue as well.  I obviously believe the things you've said and say because I know in my gut that ET's are here and have been for a very long time.  In the end, this debate is pointless and really serves little purpose.  There are those who are going to dismiss it no matter what and there are those who will believe the story and the 1000's of witnesses who saw something very unusual on that night in Phoenix.  I never intended this topic to turn into a huge debate either as some of you know and remembered.


When one of those Moderators starts getting "active", that's when I simply drop right off the thread every time.

I dropped right off this one and will say nothing more about it.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:07 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 14 October 2012 - 04:07 AM, said:

I didn't even think of this, but yes you are absolutely right!  Find a proxy and you'll be able to bypass those annoying border restrictions with ease synchronomy.  Excellent point mcrom!  Good to have your contributions when you aren't so busy with the LDS...  :P
I am not familiar at all with the use of a "proxy".  Can any of you give me a link or a quick how-to in order to watch the Nat Geo video.
Is this ok to do?  I mean is it legal?
Unless it's on the up-and-up I don't want to do this.

Maybe if replying you should send me a PM, as we've already cluttered this thread a fair bit with getting off topic.
Thanks in advance.

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This is how deep truths are winnowed from deep nonsense. -- Carl Sagan

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:27 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 14 October 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

I am not familiar at all with the use of a "proxy".  Can any of you give me a link or a quick how-to in order to watch the Nat Geo video.
Is this ok to do?  I mean is it legal?
Unless it's on the up-and-up I don't want to do this.

Maybe if replying you should send me a PM, as we've already cluttered this thread a fair bit with getting off topic.
Thanks in advance.

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