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[Robert1]

Just out of curiosity, is there anything in society that PETA does like?

[Bavarian Raven]

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I'm so sick of PETA.

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THat being said, it's people like PETA and Greenpeace that give environmentalists bad reps.

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ust out of curiosity, is there anything in society that PETA does like?

government funding

Edited by Bavarian Raven, 10 October 2012 - 09:52 PM.

[Biff Wellington]

ouija ouija, on 10 October 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

'Lone Voice' here: I support and approve of PETA. I think they're right to criticise the content of childrens' games. Posters here are saying the creatures are imaginary, which is obviously true, BUT ....... they(the posters), are not children! Young children can't always distinguish between what's real and what isn't, even when they say they CAN, if asked! Facts and falsehoods are all soaked up equally by young brains and no discrimination is applied.

I'm sorry Ouija, but that's a load of crap. Pure & simple. I played this game when I was 13 & it didn't make me join an organized chinchilla fighting ring. I also played final fantasy at earlier ages but I didn't try to attack random people & woodland creatures with a sword & fireballs. There's one thing that can be blamed for a child taking this out hand... THE PARENTS. There's only two situations in which a child is going to take this pastime too far. 1. The child is mentally ill, in which case their parent/s should damn well know better than to allow their child to view ANY form of media without supervision & 2: The child had been sat in front of a TV/game console their entire life & thinks this is a form of education. At that point the child might as well fall under category 1 again. In this situation the parent is to blame yet again.

When did we as a society decide, "Why educate my child myself? Why give them the knowledge of a life time of experience? Why stop & take interest in my Childs day to day life? Why get to know them at all? After all, I have TV, Playstation & internet to teach them everything. I can just go to work (hopefully) & then come home & kick my feet up. After all my child is a self sustaining lifeform that only needs me to bring home the bacon."

It's very sad that we blame everyone but ourselves when it comes to the shortcomings of our children. GROW THE ____ UP PEOPLE! We created them, the least we can do it's take an interest in their life & to make them into better people than we are. How are children supposed to act if their only rolemodels are from videogames, TV & the ol' interwebs here? The idea that this topic is even in existence (thank you PETA) makes me sick. Raise your own children. The"it takes a village" motto is an antiquated notion these days. & even if it wasn't, it wasn't referring to a village of STRANGERS!



from the desk of,
Lord Biff Wellington Esq.

Edited by Biff Wellington, 10 October 2012 - 10:17 PM.

[ouija ouija]

Biff Wellington, on 10 October 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

I'm sorry Ouija, but that's a load of crap. Pure & simple. I played this game when I was 13 & it didn't make me join an organized chinchilla fighting ring. I also played final fantasy at earlier ages but I didn't try to attack random people & woodland creatures with a sword & fireballs. There's one thing that can be blamed for a child taking this out hand... THE PARENTS. There's only two situations in which a child is going to take this pastime too far. 1. The child is mentally ill, in which case their parent/s should damn well know better than to allow their child to view ANY form of media without supervision & 2: The child had been sat in front of a TV/game console their entire life & thinks this is a form of education. At that point the child might as well fall under category 1 again. In this situation the parent is to blame yet again.

When did we as a society decide, "Why educate my child myself? Why give them the knowledge of a life time of experience? Why stop & take interest in my Childs day to day life? Why get to know them at all? After all, I have TV, Playstation & internet to teach them everything. I can just go to work (hopefully) & then come home & kick my feet up. After all my child is a self sustaining lifeform that only needs me to bring home the bacon."

It's very sad that we blame everyone but ourselves when it comes to the shortcomings of our children. GROW THE ____ UP PEOPLE! We created them, the least we can do it's take an interest in their life & to make them into better people than we are. How are children supposed to act if their only rolemodels are from videogames, TV & the ol' interwebs here? The idea that this topic is even in existence (thank you PETA) makes me sick. Raise your own children. The"it takes a village" motto is an antiquated notion these days. & even if it wasn't, it wasn't referring to a village of STRANGERS!



from the desk of,
Lord Biff Wellington Esq.

I find your reply a tad confusing. You start by saying that what I said was a load of crap, but most of the rest of your post seems to be supporting what I said! About half of my working life was spent looking after and educating children ...... I know what I'm talking about. You say you were 13 when you were playing this game, I was thinking of children quite a bit younger than that.  Re-reading what you wrote, I think you're being unnecessarily facetious at the start of your post ......... which is a shame because reading further on, it's obvious that you are genuinely concerned about the way so many children are left to bring themselves up. (Perhaps I simply didn't get your joke?)

[ouija ouija]

notoverrated, on 10 October 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

idk i never met a kid when i was younger that thought pokemon was real, but if the show is so bad then let the parents censor it from their kids.

I didn't explain myself clearly: of course children will say they know that Pokemon isn't real, but what I am saying is that once the information is in the brain, whether it's fuzzy animals fighting on a screen or their own parents fighting, the brain can't distinguish between the two. So, if a child spends all it's time looking at fighting(real or imaginary), it is likely that this will either affect the behaviour of the child directly(depending on the nature of the child), or will affect it's view of the world and the level of violence it finds acceptable there. This effect will be increased if parents show approval of the games and act as if the content is acceptable.

[ouija ouija]

Robert1, on 10 October 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

Just out of curiosity, is there anything in society that PETA does like?

There's an awful lot of bad stuff in the world!

[coldethyl]

Well my kids are 20 and 21 so it's too late for them.  They still play this game.  Black and White.

[Hilander]

I get sick of PETA, they can go overboard sometimes.

In this case they are afraid this will teach kids that treating animals badly is fine and it could.  Wouldn't have to be that way if parents would explain to them cartoons aren't real life and know what their kids are looking at.

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Bavarian Raven, on 10 October 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

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There had to be at least one thing!

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THat being said, it's people like PETA and Greenpeace that give environmentalists bad reps.

Very true. I'm all about animal and environmental conservation. I also don't have to attack things like pokemon to do it. I volunteer at the local wildlife shelter. I've seen a lot of messed up animals come in there, including ones that people have injured, but I've never seen or even heard of an animal being injured because of pokemon.

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I believe that the majority of their funding comes from donations and grants.

[tipotep]

We are turning into a bunch of tutu wearing softies ...

I seem to recall as a kid watching cartoons like the road runner , bugs bunny etc etc , I seem to recall the coyote getting run over , burned , shot ,chopped into peices and blown up , we knew the difference between whats real and whats not .

Like Biff said - its up too the parents to teach the kids right and wrong , not to lay the blame on a computer game .

TiP.

[Junior Chubb]

tipotep, on 11 October 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

We are turning into a bunch of tutu wearing softies ...

I seem to recall as a kid watching cartoons like the road runner , bugs bunny etc etc , I seem to recall the coyote getting run over , burned , shot ,chopped into peices and blown up , we knew the difference between whats real and whats not .

Like Biff said - its up too the parents to teach the kids right and wrong , not to lay the blame on a computer game .

TiP.

Funnily enough Road Runners is still going, the same style of Coyote gets squashed humour. These day it is a CGI rendered cartoon rather than hand drawn though...

I think PETA's issue is that in Pokemon you force the animals to fight each other, like Dog fighting etc. In the classic cartoons they are just playing out rolls that appear in nature (Hunter vs Prey). Not that I am on PETAs side of this discussion, just pointing out what I think there disagreement is with.

You are spot on about the parents, unfortunately with modern parenting skills seeming to be a bit lacking these day's it leaves room for organisations like PETA to go overboard with what they deem to be right or wrong.

Edited by Junior Chubb, 11 October 2012 - 08:58 AM.

[wolfknight]

PETA is a joke a big joke. PETA puts more animal to sleep than any shelter. If it was up to PETA we would all be Vegans.

[Coffey]

This is like when stupid parents blame video games like Grand Theft Auto etc for their children turning out to be nutjobs.

Nothing to do with a game or fictional world.

PETA could be a really good organisation if they used the amount of money they get for real issues with animals.


They sent my housemate a letter (2 times in fact) with a 5p in the envelope. It pretty much said you cna have this 5p but these animals need it etc.

Yeah send my housemate who joint with me is struggling to pay bills and eat letters like this, I bet they don't send these ******* letters to rich people. Try to guilt trip people who are struggling, that is the problem with charities they aim to get money from the people who don't have it. While people like P Diddy drive around in like 6 or 7 difference cars.

Does my head in.

[Littlehawk]

Peta are a bunch of hypocrites. They are so far "left" that they've gone all the way around to the right. They are a joke. I'm an animal lover and a nature lover, but they go way too far.

[Junior Chubb]

Coffey, on 11 October 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

PETA could be a really good organisation if they used the amount of money they get for real issues with animals.

Spot on...

Littlehawk, on 11 October 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

They are so far "left" that they've gone all the way around to the right.

Well the world is round...  


You are both right though, they do seem to be seen as more of a joke these days (I am sure they are taken very seriously in some corners of the web though). It all seems a little bit like 'the boy who cried wolf' to me...