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[questionmark]

Legaia, on 14 October 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

The problem with your logic is there would be no need for taxes the likes of which we have today if the constitution was followed. The federal government has no place or authority to be involved in the majority of social affairs that it is currently involved in. To believe anything otherwise would suggest that you, in fact, know nothing about the constitution. A government that has the power to give us everything also has the power to take it all away. How can you believe, based on history alone, that a governing power would hold dear the best interest of the people?

As ludicrous as this idea is, let's suppose that our federal government does care deeply for us. Even if that were the case, it would still fail because a few bureaucrats in Washington simply cannot efficiently manage the lives of an entire nation.

So who would pay to protect your behind from possible bad, bad Islamic invasions (sadly we got no more commies to invade us)?

Who would pay for scientific research that does not give immediate returns? (or are we, just like with the Large Hadron Collider, let the scientific leadership return to Europe)?

There is no place in the world requiring a government that does not need something to pay for it, and that something is called taxes. If you don't want to pay them on the Federal level you will have to pay them on the State level, with one slight difference, there is no single state capable of stemming a mega project like the Federal government is and there is no State that will create an Army controlled by the Feds.

And only those two positions require more money than what is collected in taxes. The other 1/3 of the budget is financed by making debt.

So nobody can tell me that there are enough taxes collected, in fact, the last time it was so Clinton was Prezz and Gingrich the leader of the house. That is quite some time ago.

[Legaia]

questionmark, on 14 October 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

So who would pay to protect your behind from possible bad, bad Islamic invasions (sadly we got no more commies to invade us)?

Who would pay for scientific research that does not give immediate returns? (or are we, just like with the Large Hadron Collider, let the scientific leadership return to Europe)?

There is no place in the world requiring a government that does not need something to pay for it, and that something is called taxes. If you don't want to pay them on the Federal level you will have to pay them on the State level, with one slight difference, there is no single state capable of stemming a mega project like the Federal government is and there is no State that will create an Army controlled by the Feds.

And only those two positions require more money than what is collected in taxes. The other 1/3 of the budget is financed by making debt.

So nobody can tell me that there are enough taxes collected, in fact, the last time it was so Clinton was Prezz and Gingrich the leader of the house. That is quite some time ago.

Again, if you actually read the constitution, protection of the citizens' safety and liberties is just about the only duty of the federal government. Everything else should be delegated to the states. Of course there would still be taxes, but as I said, they would be nowhere near what we are paying today if the document was followed appropriately. They would barely be noticeable if the fed's only concern was the safety of the people, rather than a thousand failed social programs and a disgustingly bloated global empire.

I don't fully understand your line that I bolded, but I think you are suggesting that not enough taxes are collected. It's becoming difficult to take your posts seriously.

Edited by Legaia, 14 October 2012 - 02:06 PM.

[Merc14]

questionmark, on 14 October 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Nor can Romney, the only difference could be is who profits from the demise, those who earn over 250k or those who earn less.

I didn't realize keeping the money you earned is now profiting.  WTF is wrong with you?

questionmark, on 14 October 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

To fix America the first thing that needs to be done is to vote in a Congress willing to work.

Congress has submitted countless budgets to Obama and Reid and they have not even been brought up for a vote.  Work in your world, means to capitulate and vote for whatever the dems want  The only problem with that is for two years, that is exactly what we had and look at the immense damage it has done.

I diodn'

[questionmark]

Merc14, on 14 October 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

I didn't realize keeping the money you earned is now profiting.  WTF is wrong with you?



Congress has submitted countless budgets to Obama and Reid and they have not even been brought up for a vote.  Work in your world, means to capitulate and vote for whatever the dems want  The only problem with that is for two years, that is exactly what we had and look at the immense damage it has done.

I diodn'

Congress has passed less laws than any Congress before in history, the only thing it was diligent about is to block any initiative, without even discussing it, from both the Senate and the White House. So quit the crocodile tears.

[Merc14]

questionmark, on 14 October 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

Congress has passed less laws than any Congress before in history, the only thing it was diligent about is to block any initiative, without even discussing it, from both the Senate and the White House. So quit the crocodile tears.

Damn right they blocked Reid and Obama initiatives, that is what they were voted in for!  You seem to forget your party suffered a historic defeat in 2010 and it was because you have failed miserably, have severely damaged the country and Americans are sick of you so they voted you out of power in congress and damn nar voted you out of the senate but there was only 19 races.  If there had been more you would of lost the senate as well.  The democrats were decimated for a reason.  In 2010 democrats:

1.  Lost the congress in historic fashion with republicans picking up a massive 63 seats.
2.  Nearly lost the senate.  Republicans won four seats held by retiring democrats, defeated two incumbent democrats.and successfully defended all of their own seats.
3.  Republican governors now outnumber democrat governors 29-21 and republicans also took over most state legislatures.  You didn't just lose on a federal level, you lost at he state and local as well.

Americans did not radically change the congress in 2010 to continue with your policies, they did it to stop you from enacting more of them.  Congress was changed to block and/or hinder any more democrat destruction.  After a similar historic loss, Bill Clinton read the tea leaves and moved to the center, Barry moved further left as if to defy the voter's mandate.  

Congress is not lazy, they are doing exactly what they were hired to do.  You can expect another massive loss this November because your party has defied the will of the people and continued with the same destructive policies.

[questionmark]

Merc14, on 14 October 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Damn right they blocked Reid and Obama initiatives, that is what they were voted in for!  You seem to forget your party suffered a historic defeat in 2010 and it was because you have failed miserably, have severely damaged the country and Americans are sick of you so they voted you out of power in congress and damn nar voted you out of the senate but there was only 19 races.  If there had been more you would of lost the senate as well.  The democrats were decimated for a reason.  In 2010 democrats:

1.  Lost the congress in historic fashion with republicans picking up a massive 63 seats.
2.  Nearly lost the senate.  Republicans won four seats held by retiring democrats, defeated two incumbent democrats.and successfully defended all of their own seats.
3.  Republican governors now outnumber democrat governors 29-21 and republicans also took over most state legislatures.  You didn't just lose on a federal level, you lost at he state and local as well.

Americans did not radically change the congress in 2010 to continue with your policies, they did it to stop you from enacting more of them.  Congress was changed to block and/or hinder any more democrat destruction.  After a similar historic loss, Bill Clinton read the tea leaves and moved to the center, Barry moved further left as if to defy the voter's mandate.  

Congress is not lazy, they are doing exactly what they were hired to do.  You can expect another massive loss this November because your party has defied the will of the people and continued with the same destructive policies.

So, instead of coming up with ideas of their own, that they could have very well passed, they spend 2 years sitting on their oversize ar$es on taxpayers money and you are cheering and applauding.

It was about time we saw your plumage coming through.

[Pyridium]

I pop in here once in a while and see the same words repeated from the same people, over and over.  I swear that there is a contest going on; who can post the most in a day, week or year?  Start a heated arguement with everybody and bang, hundreds of posts in a day, congrats!

[regeneratia]

I am totally disgusted with the American two party system. I am so sick of either/or thinking!!  And I didn't get to choose who represented those two parties.
Not everyone fits into the ideals of only two parties. This country needs at least 5 media-honored political parties to really reflect the sentiments of The People in this county.

So the entire presidential voting process is like "do you want to have nitrates with your meat?" or "do you just want to eat those nitrates alone?"
Neither is desirable (!) but the choices are extremely and unnecessarilly limitied. I think the either/or of the two party system is intentionally designed to maintain a certain level of schism among The People.

I am writing in Ron Paul this year. And I am going to demand more political parties from out political system.

[Gummug]

docyabut2, on 14 October 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

Not that Obama care is a bad thing, its just not the right time when the economy is failing, no jobs and the deficit is one trillion.Won`nt it just put our country into a great debt to early bankrupty. I sure would`nt  want to rely on any other countires to bail us out when America has always been strong. China and Japan had said to destroy America is to buy her out, our debt? .Is that whats going to happen?

I'm not so sure that it's not a bad thing...I keep on hearing about the death panels. "yes there are death panels", "no there are not death panels", "yes there are", ad infinitum. Glenn Beck on "The Blaze" had a medical doctor on his program, and he not only affirmed that there are "death panels" (although that's maybe not an entirely accurate nomenclature, they still will decide who or who does not get care), he said that he tried to blow the whistle as it were on it by several other networks and Glenn was the only one who would help him.

[Gummug]

questionmark, on 14 October 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Capitalism only works as long as everybody benefits from it. As soon as the benefits end up in the same 1000 pockets it is over. The best then is a right dictatorship, the worst a left dictatorship that will come of it. Don't you guys ever learn anything from history?

And we see how well entitlements are working out for Greece. Have you been in Athens lately?

[questionmark]

Gummug, on 14 October 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

And we see how well entitlements are working out for Greece. Have you been in Athens lately?

What entitlements are you talking about? The 5% of the poor that get entitlements or the 75% of the well off? Because most of those 5% are disabled and elderly, the 75% get dodgy tax cuts, student loans, home buyer benefits, 401Ks and lots of subsidies, sometimes all in one package.

I would look first before falling for some campaign rhetoric, even if it sounds good to you. And I would check what all I am getting before tooting my horn.

[Gummug]

Well, correct me if I am wrong, but this looks like what happens when the government can't keep on giving all the bennies that people are used to and want:
http://en.wikipedia...._Greek_protests
You are always seeming to say what is wrong with America...did you notice where Greece had been reduced to BB+ status? I realize the link is just Wikipedia article, but I imagine it's fairly accurate.
eta: Not sure what you mean by "I would check what all I am getting before tooting my horn." ???

Edited by Gummug, 14 October 2012 - 06:52 PM.

[questionmark]

Gummug, on 14 October 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

Well, correct me if I am wrong, but this looks like what happens when the government can't keep on giving all the bennies that people are used to and want:
http://en.wikipedia...._Greek_protests
You are always seeming to say what is wrong with America...did you notice where Greece had been reduced to BB+ status? I realize the link is just Wikipedia article, but I imagine it's fairly accurate.
eta: Not sure what you mean by "I would check what I am getting before I start tooting." ???

Are you trying to derail this thread or is it your way of admitting that you have no valid arguments?

[Gummug]

questionmark, on 14 October 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

Are you trying to derail this thread or is it your way of admitting that you have no valid arguments?

OK, if you wanna continue, start a new thread. Because personally...I don't have the time for this.

[docyabut2]

I heard greece wants to sell one of their islands to get out of debt, is that what we will have to do, sell Hawawii.:)As a budgeter of a family there has to be cut backs in living to balance a budget.The system was fine as it was, where people took care of people,not  big goverment hand outs and a  health care program take over that will put us in more great debt.The only thing necessary to have a good strong military to protect the country and should be at the top, not cut backs.