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[manz]

As per Steven Greer : Aliens/UFOs do travel faster that light, Does that mean they time travel too? and If so, we would be able to obtain their tech and go to past/future by using their UFO??

[Quaentum]

manz, on 12 October 2012 - 06:22 AM, said:

As per Steven Greer : Aliens/UFOs do travel faster that light, Does that mean they time travel too? and If so, we would be able to obtain their tech and go to past/future by using their UFO??

The short answer...NO

The long answer...Space ships can not move faster than light.  As the velocity of an object closes in on the speed of light it gains mass.  The greater the mass, the greater the gravity an object has.  If an object were to reach the speed of light it would have infinite mass making it, for lack of a better term, a black hole.  The occupants would be crushed by the gravity.

[Amerix]

Greer says a lot of things.  I have worked for the government, including on DARPA projects, and the way this guy talks about his "experiences", it's as though he's reciting an elaborate story.  The way the government goes about black projects is that of complete compartmentalization.  You will have a large group of people, each with their own piece of the puzzle, working towards a common goal without any of them having the full story.  He goes off as though he knew everything about what was going on, and people were telling him all sorts of things, which is BS.  They ALL would have had a small piece of info to work on, and neither would have the whole story, and they would have all been sworn to secrecy from discussing it with their co-workers.  His story has absolutely no official government procedure.  The guy is a pathological liar.

[R4z3rsPar4d0x]

Quaentum, on 12 October 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

The short answer...NO

The long answer...Space ships can not move faster than light.  As the velocity of an object closes in on the speed of light it gains mass.  The greater the mass, the greater the gravity an object has.  If an object were to reach the speed of light it would have infinite mass making it, for lack of a better term, a black hole.  The occupants would be crushed by the gravity.

I agree with this the universe has set laws that cannot be broken in my opinion.

[Bionic Bigfoot]

Cpl599, on 12 October 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

Greer says a lot of things.  His story has absolutely no official government procedure.  The guy is a pathological liar.

I agree with most of your post #3, but regarding Steven Greer, II don't believe he's a pathological liar.  JMHO.

[Mantis914]

Quaentum, on 12 October 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

The short answer...NO

The long answer...Space ships can not move faster than light.  As the velocity of an object closes in on the speed of light it gains mass.  The greater the mass, the greater the gravity an object has.  If an object were to reach the speed of light it would have infinite mass making it, for lack of a better term, a black hole.  The occupants would be crushed by the gravity.

Space is awful big, we don't know what kind of minerals or resources may be out there that could make an exotic form of propulsion or have odd or negating effects on gravity...

[keninsc]

There are a lot of things we don't know, if they're way ahead of us technologically speaking, then odds are they've solved a lot of problems that we can't get past. While there is nothing in the known laws of physics that says you can't time travel......then who can say?

My own pet theory is that some of the UFO's we see and are reported might be time travelers from our past, that is our future selves trying to get a better handle on historical events rather than aliens. Yeah, I know that's kind of out there, but when you consider the technological advances we've made in the last two hundred years, can you imagine what we might do in another two thousand? We've gone from horse and buggy to sending robots to Mars and probes into deep space.........in another two thousand years? Who knows?

Just food for thought.

[Zeta Reticulum]

Mantis914, on 12 October 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

Space is awful big, we don't know what kind of minerals or resources may be out there that could make an exotic form of propulsion or have odd or negating effects on gravity...

Very true........ we have only our limited knowledge to draw from. There are many unknowns which could make gravity wobble or just dissappear.

[WatchingTheStars]

I remember a science teacher of mine said it was impossible to time travel into the future because it doesn't exist...and if it did, would it constantly be changing due to our actions? Are there a million futures based on what we do to change it? How can we know which one we'll end up into, and due to the action of time traveling, will that future change too? Can you change what future you'll travel to?

Confusing.

[R4z3rsPar4d0x]

MisstreeDove, on 13 October 2012 - 04:57 AM, said:

I remember a science teacher of mine said it was impossible to time travel into the future because it doesn't exist...and if it did, would it constantly be changing due to our actions? Are there a million futures based on what we do to change it? How can we know which one we'll end up into, and due to the action of time traveling, will that future change too? Can you change what future you'll travel to?

Confusing.

Thats a good point, so you wouldnt be able to travel to the year 2040 because it hasnt happened yet. I saw this thing on this show once and this guy said technically If time travel were possible and you made a machine for it, you would only be able to go back in time to the point you actually turned the machine on.
When speaking of time travel it always boggles my mind not to mention the paradoxes you would have to watch out for.

[WatchingTheStars]

R4z3rsPar4d0x, on 13 October 2012 - 05:26 AM, said:

Thats a good point, so you wouldnt be able to travel to the year 2040 because it hasnt happened yet. I saw this thing on this show once and this guy said technically If time travel were possible and you made a machine for it, you would only be able to go back in time to the point you actually turned the machine on.
When speaking of time travel it always boggles my mind not to mention the paradoxes you would have to watch out for.

Yeah. There are practically hundreds if not thousands of paradoxes than can happen due to time travel. To try to explain just one paradox:

If you travel back into the past, what if you meet yourself? What would past-you do? What would present-you do? What if past-you decides not to time travel? What happens to present-you? Will you cease to exist? And we've mentioned that technically, the future doesn't exist. So would the future not exist for past-you? Then how would present-you exist? Would present-you simply not exist? Will there be a million present-you's from a million futures? Is the future for past-you the same for present-you? What if you interact? Would this change the future for past-you? Would if change the future for present-you? How would the future change? Would present-you change? What if present-you does cease to exist? How does that effect past-you? Would past-you cease to exist too? Would all of the you's cease to exist from the timeline?

Wow. My brain is trying to escape from my skull.

[zoser]

R4z3rsPar4d0x, on 12 October 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

I agree with this the universe has set laws that cannot be broken in my opinion.

Are they the universe's laws or mans laws?  I'm not convinced that humans are ready yet to speak on behalf of God.

[Rlyeh]

zoser, on 13 October 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

Are they the universe's laws or mans laws?  I'm not convinced that humans are ready yet to speak on behalf of God.

Yet we invented him.

[mysticwerewolf]

It is my belief that the Laws talked about here are man's laws. not nature's laws   in it's truest form nature is a ballence. ( when man isn't around to eff it up)  what goes up must come down, life is followed by death and death feeds the life around it, summer is eventually followed by winter and  winter is eventually followed by summer.  Using this ballence as my unproveable defense, Time cannot go forward if something isn't going backwards.

   I hope  time travel is real and will soon be available whether by faster than light speed or electromagnetic wormholes because  i would like to some day go back in time and see woodstock, i was to young the first time.

[Zeta Reticulum]

zoser, on 13 October 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

Are they the universe's laws or mans laws?  I'm not convinced that humans are ready yet to speak on behalf of God.

Well said..... my thoughts exactly