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Are UFO experts that "know too much" killed?


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#31    TheMacGuffin

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:38 AM

View PostSakari, on 13 October 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

Thank You....


I was talking more about earl of trumps " personal " been there, done that.......

( remember when I said I had you mixed up with someone else, I did, and I now remember who :tu:   )


I think of myself as a sort of "librarian" with plenty of things to share, at least when the mood strikes me--only I keep my "library" in my head.  So did my father, although after he died I made sure to clean up anything written down that might have been left behind.

A friend of mine helped me dump some of it off a pier in California, but that's another story.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 01:02 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 13 October 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

The story goes that when she was having an affair with JFK, she learned that he had seen crashed UFOs and alien bodies at a military base, and mentioned this to her journalist friend Dorothy Kilgallen.  The latter had learned about the same type of thing in 1955 from Lord Mountbatten, and that is actually true as we now know.  

Anyway, when Monroe's relationship with JFK ended, she was going to spill the beans at a press conference with Kilgallen.  At any rate, she was known to have kept a diary as well, which went missing after her death.  

We know now that the affair with JFK was real and that she was very angry when it ended, calling the White House repeatedly and threatening to tell everything--not only about UFOs of course.  If she was murdered, the story also goes that James Anlgeton of the CIA arranged it.  Well, it's not as if he had no experience in that department, being head of counter-intelligence.
   What you have said makes sense,I worked for the U.K Gov't and almost everything was on a "need to know" basis.And we are sworn in to an  Official Secrets Act,....... For Life..!!....Like keep quiet and nothing bad will happen.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 01:05 AM

Kilgallen really did get a crashed UFO story from Lord Mountbatten in 1955, which did get into the newspapers.  She later "committed suicide" as well in 1965, under circumstances that were very similar to Marilyn Monroe's death.

At that time, she was writing a book about the JFK assassination, getting interviews with Jack Ruby and people like that.  Her manuscript was never found.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 01:17 AM

Its pretty grim that people are killed or mysteriously disappear,because the Gov't of the day is frightened of being honest and revealing the truth.I've seen the F.B.I. in action in your Country, man they are Scary.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 01:43 AM

View Postspud the mackem, on 13 October 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

Its pretty grim that people are killed or mysteriously disappear,because the Gov't of the day is frightened of being honest and revealing the truth.I've seen the F.B.I. in action in your Country, man they are Scary.

It's been this way since World War II, and then thoroughly institutionalized during the Cold War.  FDR was the one who gave Hoover the authority to spy on anyone without warrant, open their mail, install listening devices, tap their phones, and it really made Hoover what he was.  He also created the CIA, or at least its predecessor the OSS.

At the time, even people in Congress were worried this would all turn into some kind of "Gestapo", and they had very good reason to be concerned.  Most people will never know the half of it, not even a tenth of it.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:38 PM

Still waiting to see the full list of 25 named in the article and any evidence that these death rates are any different than any other segment of the population?

Shouldn't we be somewhat skeptical of articles that make such earth shattering accusations, but yet are shorter than a standard movie review?

I personally know at least 3 dozen individuals who are doing the exact work mentioned in the article - some working under government contract - and none seem to be too concerned about turning up dead under mysterious circumstances.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:44 PM

View PostRafterman, on 13 October 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

I personally know at least 3 dozen individuals who are doing the exact work mentioned in the article - some working under government contract - and none seem to be too concerned about turning up dead under mysterious circumstances.


Otto Binder made a list of deaths that he considered "suspect" as of 1971, including Morris J. Jessup (suicide?), Edward Ruppelt (died at a very young age of a heart attack?), Damon Runyon, Jr. who like Dorothy Kilgallen was investigating UFOs and the Kennedy assassination (suicide?).

Indeed, he had a list of UFO researchers who seemed to die very young of heart attacks or fast-acting cancers, as well as a suspiciously large number of suicides.  Quite a few of them were also repeated warned, threatened and harassed.  

Here's another article about Binder and the "liquidation" of the UFO researchers in the 1950s and 1960s.  You be the judge.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:48 PM

Binder says, for example, that the UFO broadcaster Frank Edwards was threatened at least three times before his death from an apparent heart attack, and he wasn't the only one.  

Edward Ruppelt was "advised" to edit his book on UFOs to make it more skeptical of ETs, and so on.  All I can say is that age 37 is very young to die of a heart attack.  I'm sure it happens, but how common is that?


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:48 PM

View PostRafterman, on 13 October 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

Still waiting to see the full list of 25 named in the article and any evidence that these death rates are any different than any other segment of the population?

Me too.My father had his first heart attack at 37, so that one could be just coincidence. Did Ruppelt's family have a history of heart disease?

It seems fishy at first reading, but how many thousands of people work in the aerospace industry? and there's only 25-40 deaths that seem a bit fishy? Statistically speaking, that seems kinda normal.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:45 PM

UFO research is not a healthy field to be involved in, even for scientists.  Just ask James McDonald and John Mack.  Well actually you can't ask them because they died relatively young as well, one from suicide and the other in an accident(?), of course after suffering years of ridicule and attack designed to discourage others from taking up this work.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:47 PM

View Postarchernyc, on 13 October 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Me too.My father had his first heart attack at 37, so that one could be just coincidence. Did Ruppelt's family have a history of heart disease?

It seems fishy at first reading, but how many thousands of people work in the aerospace industry? and there's only 25-40 deaths that seem a bit fishy? Statistically speaking, that seems kinda normal.


I do know that it was Ruppelt's second heart attack, which seems unusual for a young man from a military background otherwise in good health.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:52 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 13 October 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

UFO research is not a healthy field to be involved in, even for scientists.

Hasn't done Good's career any harm - he dug deeper then most and posted plenty of docs in his book (which many then followed and copied)...his life and career have been fine. Vallee career hasn't suffered, he's respected inside and outside this field.....i'm sure if you was to dig as deep into the other side you'd find plenty who have had no bother....then you're left with little more then standard odds of people dying in any field, as they do in all walks of life.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:56 PM

View PostThe Sky Scanner, on 13 October 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Hasn't done Good's career any harm - he dug deeper then most and posted plenty of docs in his book (which many then followed and copied)...his life and career have been fine. Vallee career hasn't suffered, he's respected inside and outside this field.....i'm sure if you was to dig as deep into the other side you'd find plenty who have had no bother....then you're left with little more then standard odds of people dying in any field, as they do in all walks of life.


Well, that's the whole question here, not that everybody dies but whether some people had "help" dying at relatively young ages, especially those in UFO research.

Otto Binder thought this was happening as early as 1971.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:45 PM

Related to the "Disclosure Project", 4 people closely involved in organizing it got cancer within a short period of time.
I've read most of Greer's publications.  He is widely regarded as a "pushy SOB" by anyone he wants information from.

From Colin Andrews:  http://www.colinandr...-Testimony.html

"Brave souls already perished in this search like Steven
Greer's close colleague Shari Adiamak and U.S. Congressman Steven Schiff. Steven Greer and
myself also, each discovered serious cancer's around the same period when we were establishing the
Disclosure project and also making in-roads in the Pentagon and elsewhere. Shari and Steven Schiff
died and Steven Greer and I survived. I have no doubts that the cancers were deliberately inflicted by
those who became gravely concerned for where Disclosure was going - today this is one part of where
it is going."

Greer has written and talked about this extensively over the years.  He makes no secret of his belief that it was a deliberate attempt to stifle the Disclosure Project.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 05:16 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 13 October 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

Related to the "Disclosure Project", 4 people closely involved in organizing it got cancer within a short period of time.
I've read most of Greer's publications.  He is widely regarded as a "pushy SOB" by anyone he wants information from.

Greer has written and talked about this extensively over the years.  He makes no secret of his belief that it was a deliberate attempt to stifle the Disclosure Project.


The CIA was trying to figure out how to inject people with fast-acting cancers going back to the 1950s, as well as viruses that caused cancer.  They were even very interested in that SV-40 virus that contaminated one of the early polio vaccines since it was thought to be cancer-causing.  After all, it is one way of assassinating someone without any risk of it being traced back to the Agency.

They were trying to give Fidel Castro and Patrice Lumumba some kind of diseases like that, which all came under the domain of Dr. Sidney Gottlieb and his MK Ultra program--not to mention the stable of nasty Nazis they had working for them at the time.





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