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#1    markdohle

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:10 PM




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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:26 PM

I'm too dumb to understand, God did it.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:31 PM

I think determining who destroys who depends on one's perspective. It's just a debate between two guys and I don't think either one can prove the truth of their differing points of view. I enjoy watching these debates, though and I'm glad they are available to us.

I also don't think these debates will sway anyone's opinion on the subject, and I do consider one's perspective here one's personal opinion. I don't think all the evidence is in, and the question will probably never be settled finally either way.

Thanks for posting the video, it's a good example of these debates.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:53 PM

Yeah, as much as Biden or Ryan won their debate.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 05:52 PM

Supernatural explanations are not science. End of story.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 06:06 PM

Isn't it nice when videos are released with the title dictating the outcome based on one persons opinion?  :unsure2:

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 01:33 AM

View PostRlyeh, on 13 October 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

I'm too dumb to understand, God did it.

God of the gaps is long dead as argument or even a taunt at theists, they moved on beyond that but the irony is that Dawkins and the like still hold on to dead and destroyed philosophical arguments. Seems like the atheist cant move on past the 40s. Catch up with contemporary arguments and reasonings from both sides!

Destroying people like Dawkins is a simple
Task in such arguments and a bit unfair on him. Hes a good biologist but that's it, he is not acquainted with other standards of knowledge, philosophy, history, philosophy of science etc.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 02:50 AM

View PostLion6969, on 14 October 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

God of the gaps is long dead as argument or even a taunt at theists,

No it isn't. Creationists use it all the time. For example, a creationist may ask what happened before the big bang. A scientist may not be exactly sure, so the creationist will use this ignorance as a justification for their beliefs.

View PostLion6969, on 14 October 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

they moved on beyond that but the irony is that Dawkins and the like still hold on to dead and destroyed philosophical arguments. Seems like the atheist cant move on past the 40s.

Why the 40s? And creationists STILL use arguments that have been disproved. Such as the "argument" that there is no evidence for speciation, even though there is. (It's quite ironic that there is no evidence for a god, though, and they still hold on to that belief.)

View PostLion6969, on 14 October 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

Catch up with contemporary arguments and reasonings from both sides!

I haven't seen ONE good argument justifying the belief in any god.

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he is not acquainted with other standards of knowledge, philosophy, history, philosophy of science etc.

I don't see how science can't disprove God. Besides, you don't need to know about religion to denounce it as fairytales. Do I need to be a leprechaun-ologist to know that leprechauns don't exist? Didn't think so. All you need to know is that there is no evidence in favor of such nonsense to demote it to fiction.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 02:55 AM

View Postmarkdohle, on 13 October 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:


You agree with the subject?

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 02:58 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 13 October 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

Supernatural explanations are not science. End of story.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:15 AM

View PostTaylor Reints, on 14 October 2012 - 02:50 AM, said:



No it isn't. Creationists use it all the time. For example, a creationist may ask what happened before the big bang. A scientist may not be exactly sure, so the creationist will use this ignorance as a justification for their beliefs.

Scientists and science can't know what was before the big bang empirically that's the point! Science scope ends at singularity. However you will take a scientist explanation for what was before as gospel even if it's unproven and illogical! That's blind faith mate! Yeah creationist may use it as justification but not theists.

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Why the 40s? And creationists STILL use arguments that have been disproved. Such as the "argument" that there is no evidence for speciation, even though there is. (It's quite ironic that there is no evidence for a god, though, and they still hold on to that belief.)

That's creationists for you predominantly christian creationists. Not me not theists at large. What atheists cling on to with dear life are philosophical premises from the early 20s to 40s, these premises have long been destroyed only for some atheist scientist to regurgitate the garbage! God of the gaps is a dead argument too!


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I haven't seen ONE good argument justifying the belief in any god.


Just cause you ain't seen ONE, don't mean ain't out there does it? It also begs the question what arguments have you seen ;) if any.....

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I don't see how science can't disprove God.

Clearly your not aware of how science functions, it's limitations etc. Go ahead try and disprove with evidence upto your standard, the very same empirical standard you expect from theists ;)

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Besides, you don't need to know about religion to denounce it as fairytales. Do I need to be a leprechaun-ologist to know that leprechauns don't exist? Didn't think so.

I never said you had to, but it's a field dealing with the subject. Just cause there is not evidence for something does not negate it's existence. Ie hobbit small people are fairy tales until bones of such were discovered in indonesia etc. Don't get me wrong I'm not for a minute suggesting leprechauns could exist, I don't believe they do based on reasoning not solely lack of evidence.

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All you need to know is that there is no evidence in favor of such nonsense to demote it to fiction.

What would evidence be like if it did exist?


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:30 AM

hang on.... AGNOSTIC Dawkins?
When the hell was Dakins ever an agnostic?

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:05 AM

Hang on upon reflection and a second viewing, I believe the Christian theist was using the god of the gaps argument at large. Therefore both lost, Dawkins arguments were smashed but the theists case was a self defeatist argument (god of the gaps), which is also long dead and destroyed.




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Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:16 AM

Who destroys whom?

Lennox: "The basic question is : Is it true, or not?"

Dawkins: "And that is the basic question. It's completely irrelevant if it's comforting, if it gives you hope, if it gives you happiness. That has nothing to do with whether it is true.

Lennox: "That I agree with."


The video is about an apple and a pear having a discussion.

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Edited by Abramelin, 14 October 2012 - 10:21 AM.





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