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#16    OrdinaryClay

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 03:03 AM

 Brian Topp, on 22 October 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

I am not sure if you are implying the witching hour, since it's a popular yet complete oxymoron myth.

The witching hour can be dismissed with one question: Which 3am is the correct 3am? England? Scottland? U.S.A East or west coast? etc. The world runs on a 24 hour clock, so which time is the right time for the witching hour?

This does not fit the definition of an oxymoron.

Your point can be dismissed by simply pointing out that blasphemy, which is the driving force behind this, does not depend on absolute time. Blasphemy is symbolic. It simply does not matter which 3am we are talking about. IOW, a blasphemer can blaspheme at 3am 24 times a day.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 04:28 AM

 OrdinaryClay, on 23 October 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

This does not fit the definition of an oxymoron.

Your point can be dismissed by simply pointing out that blasphemy, which is the driving force behind this, does not depend on absolute time. Blasphemy is symbolic. It simply does not matter which 3am we are talking about. IOW, a blasphemer can blaspheme at 3am 24 times a day.

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Did you read what you wrote? Do you even understand the whole concept of the witching hour?

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With a modern literal meaning of "midnight,"[1] the term witching hour refers to the time of day when supernatural creatures such as witches, demons, and ghosts are thought to appear and to be at their most powerful and black magic to be most effective. It may be used to refer to any arbitrary time of bad luck or in which something bad has a greater likelihood to occur (e.g., a baby crying,[2] a computer crashing,[3] or stock market volatility[4]).
One of the earliest, if not the first, appearances this term makes is in Washington Irving's short story The Legend of Sleepy Hollow. Here, Irving uses "witching hour" and "witching time" interchangeably.[5] Both terms reference midnight, and are used to conjure in readers a sense of supernatural anxiety. There is little evidence the term has had any practical use prior to this, and that Irving coined the phrase after having grown up around New England and touring areas where the Salem Witch Trials took place.

People say that they wake up at three AM because of the witching hour. it is a frame of mind of waking themselves up like an internal clock.

So Oxymoron,

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ox·y·mo·ron
   [ok-si-mawr-on, -mohr-]  Show IPA, ox·y·mor·ons.  Rhetoric .
a figure of speech by [url="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/which"]which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly.”


So yes saying the witching hour happens at 3am until 4am is oxymoron because in the world there always will be a 3am some where but it is assumed there is only one time of 3am where the ghosts are the strongest, thankfully there is no demons except in our minds.

Let's talk about your theory, By saying that since three am is every where, wouldn't ghosts or demons and witches will ALWAYS be powerful no matter what time because it is three am some where (Luckily there is no such thing as demons or witches that go around casting spells and claiming to be a level 6 priest, eh?). If I use your logic, I can open a bar and serve beer every day at any time (including Sundays mornings) because some where in the world it is the legal time to drink and not get arrested.

As for your Blaspheming blasphemers, well since the witching hour is for witches, demons and ghosts and the only mortal version is the witches, I honestly don't see them going around bad mouthing god all day.

Edited by Brian Topp, 23 October 2012 - 04:32 AM.

It is easier to claim it is paranormal than taking the hard route and find out what really happened.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 06:26 AM

 Brian Topp, on 23 October 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

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Did you read what you wrote? Do you even understand the whole concept of the witching hour?


People say that they wake up at three AM because of the witching hour. it is a frame of mind of waking themselves up like an internal clock.

So Oxymoron,

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So yes saying the witching hour happens at 3am until 4am is oxymoron because in the world there always will be a 3am some where but it is assumed there is only one time of 3am where the ghosts are the strongest, thankfully there is no demons except in our minds.

Let's talk about your theory, By saying that since three am is every where, wouldn't ghosts or demons and witches will ALWAYS be powerful no matter what time because it is three am some where (Luckily there is no such thing as demons or witches that go around casting spells and claiming to be a level 6 priest, eh?). If I use your logic, I can open a bar and serve beer every day at any time (including Sundays mornings) because some where in the world it is the legal time to drink and not get arrested.

As for your Blaspheming blasphemers, well since the witching hour is for witches, demons and ghosts and the only mortal version is the witches, I honestly don't see them going around bad mouthing god all day.
If i had say a billion dollars that you needed, and i told you that you could have it for free, no questions asked and that all you had to do was  be awake at precisely 3am... im sure you could work it out... :no:


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:54 PM

 taniwha, on 23 October 2012 - 06:26 AM, said:

If i had say a billion dollars that you needed, and i told you that you could have it for free, no questions asked and that all you had to do was  be awake at precisely 3am... im sure you could work it out... :no:

If I used Clays concept and you gave me that proposition, i could easily google the world time and then put my hand out and say give it to me now it's 3am in Germany.

You are moving away from point about the witching hour. There is no exact time for the witching hour because of time zones and lack of knowledge of the exact origin of the Witching Hour except it had started some where in Europe.

The problem is (I hate have to repeat myself) that people will come on here (except this thread) and imply they or someone they know is waking up at 3am their time because of the witching hour. Now those people saying that is not going by europe's time but their own time.

Witching hour is just stupidity in it self and should not be taken seriously.

Edited by Brian Topp, 23 October 2012 - 01:55 PM.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:26 PM

 Abramelin, on 22 October 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

Physical exercise, and/or long walks in some forest/park late at night will do it.

Yeah I do that too, but melatonin is a natural supplement that helps the body sleep if you are having trouble.  Just trying to help.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:51 PM

I still don't think you understand what an oxymoron is. The incongruity results from combining words that normally have opposite meanings. An oxymoron may only seemingly be incongruous. No matter ...

 Brian Topp, on 23 October 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

As for your Blaspheming blasphemers, well since the witching hour is for witches, demons and ghosts and the only mortal version is the witches, I honestly don't see them going around bad mouthing god all day.
Obviously it is not 3am at the same location all day.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 03:02 PM

 OrdinaryClay, on 23 October 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

I still don't think you understand what an oxymoron is. The incongruity results from combining words that normally have opposite meanings. An oxymoron may only seemingly be incongruous. No matter ...


Obviously it is not 3am at the same location all day.

I see what Brian is saying.  By saying 'Witching Hour' it is an oxymoron because it is not 3am the same location every day so the words do have opposite meanings to use your definition.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 03:03 PM

 OrdinaryClay, on 23 October 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

I still don't think you understand what an oxymoron is. The incongruity results from combining words that normally have opposite meanings. An oxymoron may only seemingly be incongruous. No matter ...


Obviously it is not 3am at the same location all day.
i never stated that.

It is easier to claim it is paranormal than taking the hard route and find out what really happened.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 03:05 PM

 Brian Topp, on 23 October 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

i never stated that.

LOL, just noticed that.  Damn I need an aspirin.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:59 PM

 Abramelin, on 22 October 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

I don't get that. What worries you about 3 AM? Seen too many scary movies, maybe?

I only watch Japanese animes yet here we are.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 09:05 PM

Guys it seems he is able to sleep at other places like hotels or other houses. The bad dreams waking up in the AM and not being able to sleep seem to be only at his house?

It is normal to have horrible dreams and wake up with fear?
and why only at his place?

There could be a cursed object or book there right?

i just want to know how to help.

In the past I suffered negative emotions because of an artifact I bought...
it was some ancient work of art with writing in didn't understand on it.
Well i got rid of it fixed the problem.

Also we once bought an old used lamp...
my mother felt a pressence sit on the bed..
we threw it out that very night...

He did get a bunch of old free stuff from an abanonded house lately....
could that be part of it??

I just want to get to the bottom of this.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:37 PM

He could have some kind of high frequency interference at his house that is making him unable to sleep that occurs at that time due to wiring or some event in the neighborhood.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:50 PM

Early morning awakening can be caused by depression.


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Posted 24 October 2012 - 02:45 PM

 OrdinaryClay, on 23 October 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

I still don't think you understand what an oxymoron is. The incongruity results from combining words that normally have opposite meanings. An oxymoron may only seemingly be incongruous. No matter ...


Obviously it is not 3am at the same location all day.
I don't see how how witching is opposite from hour? I don't see any opposites. Like I said it's not a big deal I just don't see an oxymoron, sorry.

Edited by OrdinaryClay, 24 October 2012 - 02:46 PM.


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Posted 24 October 2012 - 03:38 PM

 LostSouls7, on 23 October 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Guys it seems he is able to sleep at other places like hotels or other houses. The bad dreams waking up in the AM and not being able to sleep seem to be only at his house?

It is normal to have horrible dreams and wake up with fear?
and why only at his place?

There could be a cursed object or book there right?

i just want to know how to help.

In the past I suffered negative emotions because of an artifact I bought...
it was some ancient work of art with writing in didn't understand on it.
Well i got rid of it fixed the problem.

Also we once bought an old used lamp...
my mother felt a pressence sit on the bed..
we threw it out that very night...

He did get a bunch of old free stuff from an abanonded house lately....
could that be part of it??

I just want to get to the bottom of this.


Nope, not really a chance that this is anything other than a psychosomatic response to a lifetime of conditioning. If your friend stopped looking at all this *ahem* "occult stuff", he would stop thinking that there is something going on that is supernatural. I suffer from insomnia myself, and in my younger (read: dumber) years, I used to freak myself out with this type of thing as well. As I've grown up, I've realised that sometimes, I just can't get good sleep. Lately, I have been recording episodes of a show on animal planet called Too Cute. It's about puppies and kittens and other awesome little baby animals. When I can't sleep, I put this on. I usually fall asleep within an hour, and I dream about cute little fluffy animals. It's all in your head man. Well, your friend's head.





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