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[wittyusernamefailed]

The whole hoopla about when the Government knew an attack was going on and the response is sorta missing the bigger issue; that of which the embassy should not have been so relatively unprotected at the time regardless. We have marines crawling over embassies in Paris, Tokyo, London... but for the embassy that they know is surrounded by bases for many various factions (several of which have strong ties to enemy groups) we had none, only a few PMC's.

[questionmark]

wittyusernamefailed, on 28 October 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

The whole hoopla about when the Government knew an attack was going on and the response is sorta missing the bigger issue; that of which the embassy should not have been so relatively unprotected at the time regardless. We have marines crawling over embassies in Paris, Tokyo, London... but for the embassy that they know is surrounded by bases for many various factions (several of which have strong ties to enemy groups) we had none, only a few PMC's.

Correct, where we have to add a few things:

The Embassy was a provisional emplacement, funds for further security was denied by Congress.

Ambassador Stevens send a request for additional funds to fortify the compound, which never was discussed 'cause the masters of the purse were too busy creating the fiscal cliff.

Ambassador Stevens requested additional security personnel, a request that still was hanging somewhere in the DoD machinery at the time of the attack.

There is no one guilty party here, there are only guilty parties, even those who think they can get an advantage out of finger pointing.

[joc]

questionmark, on 28 October 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Correct, where we have to add a few things:

The Embassy was a provisional emplacement, funds for further security was denied by Congress.

Ambassador Stevens send a request for additional funds to fortify the compound, which never was discussed 'cause the masters of the purse were too busy creating the fiscal cliff.

Ambassador Stevens requested additional security personnel, a request that still was hanging somewhere in the DoD machinery at the time of the attack.

There is no one guilty party here, there are only guilty parties, even those who think they can get an advantage out of finger pointing.

mmm hmmm...the fact remains...the commander in chief, secretary of state, and ambassador to the UN, went on 'tour' touting a youtube video as the reason for the attack.  And, they knew, and you know they knew, that there was absolutely no truth in that scenario..none...and they knew it, and, I repeat, you know that they knew it, I know that they knew it, they know that they knew it, everybody in the whole freaking world now knows that they knew it...and what do we get...spin, spin, spin...why...so we get confused and don't keep our eye on the ball...which is they knew...and yet they lied about the reasons.  End of story...that's what it is all about.

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joc, on 28 October 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

mmm hmmm...the fact remains...the commander in chief, secretary of state, and ambassador to the UN, went on 'tour' touting a youtube video as the reason for the attack.  And, they knew, and you know they knew, that there was absolutely no truth in that scenario..none...and they knew it, and, I repeat, you know that they knew it, I know that they knew it, they know that they knew it, everybody in the whole freaking world now knows that they knew it...and what do we get...spin, spin, spin...why...so we get confused and don't keep our eye on the ball...which is they knew...and yet they lied about the reasons.  End of story...that's what it is all about.

Fact remains a captain is responsible for the ship, not for everybody who breaks a nail 'cause some idiot is not doing his job or the purser does not buy the necessary materials to safeguard the crew from nail breaking. In those cases the captain fires the idiot and/or the purser...just in this case the captain can't.

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Is it for real, on 27 October 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

You're an arm chair general too. You apparently know for a fact exactly what can and can't be done. The difference is that I don't know what could've been done but I highly doubt the answer is nothing.

No I'm listening to those in charge. Like Leon Panetta.

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Is it for real, on 27 October 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

Wrong. He was speaking in generalities about acts of terrorism.

again you fail to answer why the use of the word "act of terror" was important to you.

[and then]

I almost hope O'barry IS reelected so I can watch the trial.

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ninjadude, on 28 October 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

again you fail to answer why the use of the word "act of terror" was important to you.

It's more about why the President won't calla spade a spade. Why do you think it's ok to pussyfoot about who the enemy is?

[Merc14]

America's disgust and anger personified:

Edited by Merc14, 28 October 2012 - 11:43 PM.

[joc]

Merc14, on 28 October 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

America's disgust and anger personified:

wow

[Daughter of the Nine Moons]

I have removed certain posts. Enough with the personal attacks. If members are unable to remain civil and courteous They will find themselves removed from the conversation.

[Merc14]

Daughter of the Nine Moons, on 29 October 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

I have removed certain posts. Enough with the personal attacks. If members are unable to remain civil and courteous They will find themselves removed from the conversation.

Are you letting people know their post was removed so they can tell us and we know what you find acceptable?

[joc]

Merc14, on 29 October 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

Are you letting people know their post was removed so they can tell us and we know what you find acceptable?

I think she removed certain posts, including mine, because of name calling and the over all vileness of some of the posts.  This isn't an adult forum.  But, as adults we should be able to conduct ourselves without sinking into the gutter.  What is unacceptable ....and is spelled out in the rules...is that flaming is disallowed. Sometimes in the heat of discussion it happens...but when it happens regularly enough it becomes detrimental to the entire thread and bodes badly for UM in general.  If one's post was removed, one should already know why.  The One and Only Daughter of the Nine Moons is fair and loving and kind...(not to mention beautiful) and has a tolerance for some but not for much...and she is always right...not because she is a MOD but because she just is.  Another way to say that is:  She is not always right because she is a MOD, she is a MOD because she is always right!

Edited by joc, 29 October 2012 - 12:18 PM.

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joc, on 29 October 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

I think she removed certain posts, including mine, because of name calling and the over all vileness of some of the posts.  This isn't an adult forum.  But, as adults we should be able to conduct ourselves without sinking into the gutter.  What is unacceptable ....and is spelled out in the rules...is that flaming is disallowed. Sometimes in the heat of discussion it happens...but when it happens regularly enough it becomes detrimental to the entire thread and bodes badly for UM in general.

This...and thank you joc

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ninjadude, on 24 October 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

See that's your problem. The initial premise is wrong. Obama even said it was a terrorist attack in his public comments thereafter. And why this is somehow important to you is beyond me. What difference is it that it's "terrorists" as opposed to criminals or any other appellation?

Either way it's not optimal.

ninjadude, on 24 October 2012 - 11:34 PM, said:

will you STOP listening to faux news. He said it was an act of terror at his public comments the very next day. And no, it makes no difference if he said terrorist or pedophile.

Yes stop listening to faux news, just watch ten second clips out of context on mediamatters.org.

The best analogy I've heard regarding coverage of Benghazi is that for the media to side with Obama would be like Woodward and Bernstein helping Nixon cover up for Watergate.

ninjadude, on 24 October 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

what conspiracy are your flogging now? Because nothing like that occured.

Top story on media matters:

As Economic Growth Expands, A Fox Analyst Reaches For Conspiracy Theories

Too perfect. What do mean the economy's in trouble? Tin foil hat time!

Edited by Vein Capital, 29 October 2012 - 01:07 PM.