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#46    FlyingAngel

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:27 PM

How is a soul created in the first place? Egg + sperm?
What is a soul made of? Radio waves? Photons? Can shine? Can go through objects? Invisible?

Answerless questions.


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:49 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 03 November 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

How is a soul created in the first place? Egg + sperm?
What is a soul made of? Radio waves? Photons? Can shine? Can go through objects? Invisible?

Answerless questions.
Not necesarily. The human soul is a product of our conscious self awareness. That is certain because without self awareness we would not know we had a soul and thus it would not exist. A soul is created in humans by several things. Our capacity to recognise consequence  our appreciation of self/other and our capacity to feel empathy for others, being among them.  Our soul in very simple terms is how we feel about ourselves.

It is our bio- neurological feedback loop. which includes our conscience, but also much more. Eg our ability to appreciate beauty, to conceptualise love, to  recognise and choose compassion. We can grow and enhance our soul, or we can diminish and possibly destroy it.
Our soul dies when we do, because it is a product of our self awareness. BUT it is quite feasible that our self aware consciousness can be stored outside our body. We are only a decade or two from being able to do this ourselves using science. And thus, if it can be reattached to a host or mechanism which activates it again,  it can be "kick -started" and become self aware once more.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:00 PM

View PostKing Fluffs, on 31 October 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

I believe that this body is only physical and that our souls inhabit these forms in order to learn lessons such as compassion and remorse.

Once all these lessons are learnt I believe we ascend to some higher form (Not necessarily heaven) where we can then do as we choose.

Lessons you think we need to learn are of compassion and remorse. Who is the Teacher?
Then if we learn these lessons and "ascend" as you say, we can do as we choose.
Doing as we choose, can mean a lot of not so nice things, is that ok?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:57 PM

View PostPhilangeli, on 31 October 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

You've got it in one!

There is nothing to think about.
When all thoughts are cut off, your true face appears.
Actually, when all "awareness" of your uniqueness is erased, deleted, "burned away," obliterated, destroyed...in the Void, specifically, not just in an ethereal space or existence, the process of Nirvana is, therfore, complete. "Your 'true' face appears." It is, however, not that easy to go through with it. Remember Frodo trying to destroy the One Ring? He couldn't do it. Is it the downfall of man? Think about it, you will be annihilating your past and present collective memory, which make up the story of you -- and for what? Who said that you have to destroy yourself? Did God(?) said that He or She or It is waiting for you to unite? As far as I'm concerned, no one in this world (past and present) has ever seen "God"; otherwise, that one wouldn't be here -- the Holy Spirit is a totally different story altogether.  Thing is, your memories will fight to the very end to keep themselves alive in your "awareness." The many promises of the future will hit you like lust as well.

After all, I'm back in this world. Why should you listen to me?

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 08:27 AM

View PostMr Walker, on 03 November 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

Actually this is physically incorrect. External reality exists independent of us. We have evolved, as an independent but integrated self aware entity, to perceive, respond to, and interact with all external realities.  Our mind does not create them. They would be there exactly the same, if we and our mind never existed to perceive them. We adjust to them and respond to them so tha we do not try to walk through a wall or off a cliff. Others are real independent entities as are rocks trees flowers etc. Oxygen is real try living without breathing it. Water is real. Try breathing it.

Descartes had it wrong because he did not know enoguh about human neurology thought memory or how our brains work. "We exist, therefore we can think. " Not, "We think therfore we  can know we exist"

Our physical existence enables, and forms, our ability to think and be aware. Our awareness does not create or verify our existence or that of anything else. The universe, and our world, existed long before we became self aware and conscious of their existence.
Others are where they would be if you; shut your eyes, dropped dead, or ceased existing. Their positioning and existence owes nothing to your recognition of them.
"Others are real independent entities as are rocks trees flowers etc. Oxygen is real try living without breathing it. Water is real. Try breathing it." Amen to that. Why is it that everything I see is "one"? The answer is that God is you and I and the rest. God is every thing and nothing ("no thing" it's the true nature of our "spirit" in the Void). And yet, there is Nirvana...and "presence" (many call it the Holy Spirit, while others, "Flow"). I am your essence. You are me, as one. One and the same through Awakening. To live life like everything is one is another story, however. To be an Awakened being helps to live life like that, but an Awakened person still has some residues (memories) of his or her past Un-awakened state. Sometimes, the transformation process takes time.

Philangeli said, "There is no Holy Grail to find. You already are the Holy Grail. We are actually being our true nature all the time, but our realization of that is clouded by our thoughts, emotions and concepts, like dust on a mirror." Yes and no. If a person had not Awakened earlier, he or she could not have figured that out. It's not philosophical transformation. It's an in-yer-face transformation. "You plant a seed..." Philangeli is right to say these things, however. One should keep in mind, always, that spirituality is about being in the now, not in some future event because the future doesn't exist, at least not yet.

"Others are where they would be if you; shut your eyes, dropped dead, or ceased existing. Their positioning and existence owes nothing to your recognition of them." I totally agree. The good thing about "real" Awakening is the element of Lazarus Syndrome. Death, not just NDE, has a way of upping the ante, so to speak, because it's not just a dream state and wishful thinking.

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