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#1    Fluffybunny

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Posted 03 October 2004 - 07:43 PM

(CNN) -- A majority of Americans believe Sen. John Kerry won the first presidential debate of the 2004 campaign, putting him in a virtual tie with President Bush, according to polls released Saturday by Newsweek and the Los Angeles Times.

Newsweek reported that Thursday's debate in Miami, Florida, had "erased the lead" that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have held over Kerry and running mate Sen. John Edwards since the Republican National Convention in New York.

Newsweek's post-convention poll had Bush leading among registered voters 54 percent to 43 percent. Its post-debate poll had 47 percent choosing Kerry-Edwards, and 45 percent for Bush-Cheney. Two percent said they would vote for Ralph Nader and his running mate, Peter Camejo.

The Newsweek survey polled more than 1,000 registered voters and has a margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points.

Newsweek's post-debate poll showed 61 percent of respondents said Kerry won, 19 percent said Bush won and 16 percent said they were undecided.

The poll also found 56 percent said Kerry did better than expected in the debate while 11 percent said the same for Bush.

In the Los Angeles Times poll, 54 percent of 725 respondents surveyed declared Kerry the winner of the debate, compared with 15 percent who said Bush won.

Before the debate, a Los Angeles Times poll showed Kerry with a one percentage point lead over Bush, and after the debate Kerry's lead increased to two points. Those margins are well within the poll's margin of error -- plus or minus four percentage points.

The debate was the first of three match-ups between Kerry and Bush.

Vice President Dick Cheney and his Democratic challenger, John Edwards, will debate in Cleveland, Ohio, on Tuesday. (Full story)

On Friday, the second presidential debate will take place in St. Louis, Missouri, followed by the final debate on October 13 in Tempe, Arizona.

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Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

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Posted 03 October 2004 - 08:08 PM

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Kerry won debate, Bush post-convention lead 'erased'


Course he won, he was debating with a monkey rolleyes.gif

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Posted 03 October 2004 - 08:14 PM

the debat was funny and yah karry won.


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Posted 03 October 2004 - 08:31 PM

QUOTE(psicohunter @ Oct 3 2004, 04:14 PM)
the debat was funny and yah karry won.

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Unfortunately, Bush was not on his game, so Kerry won.


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Posted 03 October 2004 - 09:03 PM

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Unfortunately, Bush was not on his game, so Kerry won.


I'm not worried. It wasn't even a real debate.  rolleyes.gif





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Posted 03 October 2004 - 09:36 PM

QUOTE(Kellalor @ Oct 3 2004, 10:03 PM)
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Unfortunately, Bush was not on his game, so Kerry won.


I'm not worried. It wasn't even a real debate.  rolleyes.gif

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Yeah, whats with that! No way you're gonna tell me it was a true debate!

"Sen. John Kerry, what are your thoughts on the war on Iraq?"

"I believe that the war, although wrong, was in essence right."

"Mr. President, you have 30 seconds to reply."

"I --------" *long pause* "Think that Mr. Kerry is wrong, because" *Long pause*

"Im sorry Mr. President, your time is up."


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Posted 03 October 2004 - 09:37 PM

Bet it would have been a real debate if Bush had won tongue.gif laugh.gif

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Posted 03 October 2004 - 09:48 PM

QUOTE(Talon S. @ Oct 3 2004, 10:37 PM)
Bet it would have been a real debate if Bush had won tongue.gif laugh.gif

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Nah, a real debate would be the 2 candidates talking to each other.  real debate would have substance. A real debate would involve stuff like "Resolution 1441 clearly stated---" and "Resolution 1441 also clearly stated---" and stuff like that. Not a simple, Yes I'm right, No you're wrong. IMO no one had anything like that, they were both basically "I would do a better job than him!" "I have done the best job possible, he would have messed it up!" "Nuh uh!" "Uh huh!"

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Posted 03 October 2004 - 10:01 PM

Cool. I wished I'd watched it crying.gif Does anyone have a link to the minutes?

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Posted 03 October 2004 - 10:50 PM

Here's a transcript.


here is the deepest secret nobody knows
(here is the root of the root and the bud of the bud
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Posted 03 October 2004 - 10:50 PM

Doesn't matter who wins the debate, Bush is going to win the presidency.

"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation"

Henry David Thoreau...

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Posted 03 October 2004 - 10:51 PM

Thanks Wings grin2.gif

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Posted 03 October 2004 - 11:36 PM

QUOTE(Talon S. @ Oct 3 2004, 11:01 PM)
Cool. I wished I'd watched it crying.gif Does anyone have a link to the minutes?

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Check out MSN.com
When I checked the video of Mt. St. Helens erupting, I saw a bunch of videos of the debate that I could view.

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Posted 04 October 2004 - 12:47 AM

We all know that Even if Kerry wins what difference will he do than Bush, they all have been the same.


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Posted 04 October 2004 - 06:20 AM


They need to do it like the one they did down in australia, that was a good debate and it had the worm down the bottom of the screen!lol!





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