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Posted 26 October 2012 - 07:28 PM

I had a Beagle for 16 years.  I miss her to this day and always will.  She could make me CRAZY with her incessant barking but to have taken her voice would have been unthinkable to me.   And this is a dog that could cause a partially filled can of soda to VIBRATE in your hand when she barked  :w00t: :tu:

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:13 PM

My folks raised beagles for hunting, all my dad had to do was open the back door and they would stop unless there was a reason for them barking, then they would run in their dog houses and bark.  Amazing what a good training tool a water hose is.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:19 PM

View PostEuphorbia, on 26 October 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

There are people that actually train animals.....and their owners.....really!  :tu:

I wish I had looked into this with my dog before doing what I have long regretted!  :cry:

A trainer is a good option, but they are more expensive than the operation and it is not a sure thing.
I had to use a shocking bark collar on my miniature poodle.   It only took about 2 days.   I have to put it on him about 1 day evey3 months.   Cheap and effective.


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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:31 PM

View PostLady Kasey, on 25 October 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

Unfortunately this petition is open to US residents only, but I wanted to share this here to make sure that everyone has a chance to sign it. It's a petition to let veterinarians that de-vocalizing dogs AND cats is mutilation. If you aren't quite sure what this is, they basically cut a dog's or cat's vocal cords so they cannot make any noise. It's a cruel and inhumane thing to do to these animals. If they are willing to put a stop to the "cropping" of ears of certain breeds, why won't they stop de-vocalization?

I signed the petition. Will you?

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i signed it gladly! omg i used to joke about an operation to shut my cat up, never realizing this sort of thing actually is done. i feel terrible for even making a joke about it now. i will not, however, apologize to my cat. he can't read so he will be none the wiser.


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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:32 PM

View Postand then, on 26 October 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

I had a Beagle for 16 years.  I miss her to this day and always will.  She could make me CRAZY with her incessant barking but to have taken her voice would have been unthinkable to me.   And this is a dog that could cause a partially filled can of soda to VIBRATE in your hand when she barked  :w00t: :tu:
i had a beagle for years too. neediest dog i ever loved i tell ya


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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:50 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 26 October 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

This post should come into the gallery of most stupid posts ever.

We could cut off your ears, your pecker, fingers, pull out your teeth, and so on, and you'd still be able to live to a hundred years of age.

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tell you what buddy, if you my neighbor, and your dog barks none stop, i will get you get rid of it, and sue the hell out of you, i'll make you spend your last cent on lawyers and lawsuits, or your dog will accidentally eat something and die.
your choice.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:54 AM

View Postaztek, on 27 October 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:

tell you what buddy, if you my neighbor, and your dog barks none stop, i will get you get rid of it, and sue the hell out of you, i'll make you spend your last cent on lawyers and lawsuits, or your dog will accidentally eat something and die.
your choice.

Your post reeks of anger, bitterness, and animal cruelty!

Really......you'd feed something poisonous to a dog to get it to shut up? Absolutely disgusting!!!!

You don't deserve to ever own a pet!

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 06:40 AM

If you can't deal with the annoying traits of the animal, find another home for the animal, it's really not that hard to figure out. Living next to a neighbor who's dog barked constantly at all hours of the night would piss me off too. Letting that go on shows a lack of concern and care for others (including the animal), those people also should not have pets.

There's another option, how about we even the playing field. A barking dog at random times during the day or night right outside someone's window warrants a bullhorn being used randomly throughout the day and night near the window of the barking dog's owner. Fair?  I think so.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:45 PM

View PostEuphorbia, on 27 October 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

Your post reeks of anger, bitterness, and animal cruelty!

Really......you'd feed something poisonous to a dog to get it to shut up? Absolutely disgusting!!!!

You don't deserve to ever own a pet!
actually, my friend, what is disgusting is your position ,that my, and my family's quality of life should depend on your dog, and you think i should live with that, and tolarate it. nope, wont happen, buddy.

ask my neighbour, that lost her parking spot in our apt complex, had a court order to install sound proof walls in her appt, and was made to get rid of one of her dogs. your dogs are your problem, if you make it my problem, i will put you in place. i have done it before, no court in usa will be on your side.

just for your 411, i love dogs, i had them all my life, never had ears\ tail\ voice removed, all were healthy and happy.  but i hate those that think i should give up my quality of life, becouse you think your dog is cute , and none stop barking is no big deal.

btw, i never poisoned any dog, never will, but i have seen it happen many times, i choose to go after ignorant and unconsiderate owners like you, and it works everytime,

now focus your attention , on real anilmal cruelty, puppy mills, neglect..... that we have in abundance in this world. you can sign useles petition, that wont acheave anything, but better off give money to your local shelter, and donate your time, for thing that are actually needed. do something that gets real results , now, that you can. see, not just sign some , b.s form that will make you feel good, and not much more.

you right, my post reeks of anger, but not towards pets, but toward ppl like you.

Edited by aztek, 27 October 2012 - 02:57 PM.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:03 PM

View Postaztek, on 27 October 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

actually, my friend, what is disgusting is your position ,that my, and my family's quality of life should depend on your dog, and you think i should live with that, and tolarate it. nope, wont happen, buddy.

You seem top have a major chip on your shoulder. I never said that my dog was a constant barker. He barked here and there but not anymore than the average dog. I really did just have overly sensitive neighbors that demanded absolute quietness in the neighborhood. They came to my door and actually said this to me. They were being unreasonable to the point that if any dog in the neighborhood barked, they came to my door to complain which then led them to start calling the police. If they wanted absolute quietness, then they should have been living in the country, not in the city limits in a neighborhood full of dogs. Who knows who else they called the cops on.....

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ask my neighbour, that lost her parking spot in our apt complex, had a court order to install sound proof walls in her appt, and was made to get rid of one of her dogs. your dogs are your problem, if you make it my problem, i will put you in place. i have done it before, no court in usa will be on your side.

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just for your 411, i love dogs, i had them all my life, never had ears\ tail\ voice removed, all were healthy and happy.  but i hate those that think i should give up my quality of life, becouse you think your dog is cute , and none stop barking is no big deal.

btw, i never poisoned any dog, never will, but i have seen it happen many times, i choose to go after ignorant and unconsiderate owners like you, and it works everytime,

I love dogs too, as well as all animals.

Who's asking you to give up your quality of life? Dogs bark on occasion.....most people understand this and don't care, especially if they have a dog of their own. My dog barking a few times a day does not make me an inconsiderate owner.....it just means that my dog was normal. My neighbors were the inconsiderate ones as they wanted my dog removed from me so they could have their absolute quietness.

And BTW, you did imply that you would poison a dog. You said "i'll make you spend your last cent on lawyers and lawsuits, or your dog will accidentally eat something and die."

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now focus your attention , on real anilmal cruelty, puppy mills, neglect..... that we have in abundance in this world. you can sign useles petition, that wont acheave anything, but better off give money to your local shelter, and donate your time, for thing that are actually needed. do something that gets real results , now, that you can. see, not just sign some , b.s form that will make you feel good, and not much more.

I love all animals and do want a stop to all animal cruelty, but I can't figure out why you feel this petition is useless. Anything that is done to prevent cruelty to animals, whether it be through monetary donations, signed petitions, or direct involvement by way of volunteering or protesting is a worthwhile contribution.

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you right, my post reeks of anger, but not towards pets, but toward ppl like you.

I'm sorry that you have anger issues.....there are anger management classes for that.....

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:08 PM

View PostEuphorbia, on 27 October 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

And BTW, you did imply that you would poison a dog. You said "i'll make you spend your last cent on lawyers and lawsuits, or your dog will accidentally eat something and die."



i never said I would poison a dog, you wanted to see it that way. so you did. it could be other neighbours, the ones that would like to see results, right away, i choose to go longer, more painfull for you route, court, and lawsuite. it wil take time but you will sure learn, once and for all.
obviously we are talking about dogs that bark all the time, i do have problems with OWNERS that let their dogs bark all the time. ocasioanl bark doesn't bother me 1 bit. if dogs barks when someone rings the bell, i allso have no problems with it. but not every minute of every day.  so if your dogs barks all the time, you make it stop, anyway you want, i don't care, cuz if i have to do  it, you wont like it, and no i would not request court to oreder you to devoc. your dog. your choise how to accomplsh it.

but if i had to choose between devoc, or have aspca take it away to a shelter, which will put it down, cuz very little chance anyne gonna adopt dog that barks all the time. i'd do it. i would not like it, but..   what would you do? give it up and get another that will not be so loud???  i sure would not do it.

also im a big follower of an idea, that the less gvmt tells us how to live the better, thus i will not sign anything that makes gvmt put more laws and restrictions on me. unless there is absolutely no other choice. this is not the case.

Edited by aztek, 27 October 2012 - 04:28 PM.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:14 PM

View Postaztek, on 25 October 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

i'd rather see those that abuse animals, really abuse, put in jail, instead of fines, or slap on the wrist punishment. devocalization is nothing next to that, plus it doesn't hurt the animal.

I'd rather see the same done to them as what they did to the animals. (Unless there is a good reason, such as the dog will have to be put down unless it has the operation.) They are not people, they are degenerate scum. This goes for devocalization too. Do you think it would hurt if I cut your vocal chords?

Edited by Cryptid-Seeker, 27 October 2012 - 04:26 PM.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:21 PM

If you don't want a dog that barks, don't get one. :td:

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:25 PM

View Postaztek, on 27 October 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:

tell you what buddy, if you my neighbor, and your dog barks none stop, i will get you get rid of it, and sue the hell out of you, i'll make you spend your last cent on lawyers and lawsuits, or your dog will accidentally eat something and die.
your choice.

You are the type of person who we should make join the army and check for mines by walking in a long line across a minefield. How a human being can be so cold and uncompassionate I cannot comprehend. Dogs are not machines, they are living creatures.

View PostMistydawn, on 27 October 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

If you don't want a dog that barks, don't get one. :td:

Thats the one of the most sensible things I've heard on this topic.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:38 PM

View PostCryptid-Seeker, on 27 October 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

. Do you think it would hurt if I cut your vocal chords?

really??  grow up kid. don't threaten ppl with physical harm on the internet?

View PostCryptid-Seeker, on 27 October 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

You are the type of person who we should make join the army and check for mines by walking in a long line across a minefield. How a human being can be so cold and uncompassionate I cannot comprehend. Dogs are not machines, they are living creatures.

i can't understand how humans can be so ignorant, and inconsidarete of their human neigbours, actually i can, i see tham here plenty.

Edited by aztek, 27 October 2012 - 04:39 PM.

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