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#16    zoser

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:33 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 31 October 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

Well that just show how pathetic your attitude is. Broad brush everyone because you are too lazy to listen to everyone. In fact I am finding the majority of believers to be bloody lazy. Broad Brush statements, generalisations, and yet the second a critical thinker offers a prosaic explanation, the believer suddenly becomes interested in details.

It was a stupid comment because it is completely wrong. I'd like to proclaims myself as one of the stronger "skeptics" as you like to put it, and I did not go for the Sorroco explanation. To my experience, Anthony Bragalia is very loose with his facts. I cannot say I believe aliens landed, but I cannot say this is the answer to the conundrum either. That Lier was involved does not do the ET angle any favours either.

Now if this is so off the wall, what is the big red flag? Why is this explanation implausible? Where do you see the problem?

Here is the clip containing the testimonies from the guy that saw the UFO and the girls (Valquiria, Katia and Liliana) who saw the creature.  Their description is very specific and they described it has having three toes and strange bright red eyes.

The military activity in the woods is also described.  Soldiers carrying canvas bags one with something moving inside, the other containing something but not moving.  One of the soldiers died shortly afterwards.  The military denied he was not involved in the operation but his sister testifies that he was.

The incident at the zoo is described where a woman made another sighting of a similar creature.  Her namme is Donna Terezinha Clepf and her testimony is also very clear.  The description of the eyes is consistent with that of the three girls.  Strangely a number of animals at the zoo died.

Two nurses and a doctor are alleged to have seen the creature in the hospital where is was later removed by the military.  There testimony unfortunately is not on record.  The reason apparently is because they were threatened as were the fireman involved.

Another woman was bribed to silence with money.  Her testimony is on record.  Her name is Luisia Helena da Silva.



Zoser's Conclusion

We are fortunate to have a number of first hand witness testimonies here in this clip who either testify to seeing the craft or the creature itself.  A number of other witnesses were involved however these allegedly have either been threatened or bribed into silence.  We also have the death of a young military officer that has never been satisfactorily explained.

This single clip represents the best evidence in this entire case.  This clip refutes any subsequent report into the case and should be watched before any conclusion is drawn.

Edited by zoser, 31 October 2012 - 08:34 AM.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:44 AM

View PostGolly Buster, on 31 October 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

The whole blog post is just froth and nonsense.

Read it again.

There's no information of substance there. No 'hoax' has been exposed.


From the link:


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The supposed ET autopsy doctor, a Brazilian policeman and an original girl “witness” now weigh in on what really happened at Varginha.


How are the actual people involved considered "Froth and nonsense"?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:48 AM

View PostZeta Reticulum, on 31 October 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

The only pathetic one I see here is you pal

I guess I will just have to accept that evaluation, as I consider you an expert ;)

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:49 AM

View Postzoser, on 31 October 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

Zoser's Conclusion

We are fortunate to have a number of first hand witness testimonies here in this clip who either testify to seeing the craft or the creature itself.  A number of other witnesses were involved however these allegedly have either been threatened or bribed into silence.  We also have the death of a young military officer that has never been satisfactorily explained.

This single clip represents the best evidence in this entire case.  This clip refutes any subsequent report into the case and should be watched before any conclusion is drawn.

What's up with the Youtube Zoser?

Did you get this from the link?


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The supposed ET autopsy doctor, a Brazilian policeman and an original girl “witness” now weigh in on what really happened at Varginha.


How does that affect the witness count?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:23 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 01 November 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

What's up with the Youtube Zoser?

Did you get this from the link?





How does that affect the witness count?

The key witnesses are in the video clip I posted above.  In particular the three ladies have never changed their story and were interviewed by James Fox and the team on one of the episodes of Chasing UFO's.  This was one of the more interesting parts of the series because it dealt with eyewitness testimony.

Their combined testimonies have stood the test of time.  They has never been refuted.  Any subsequent report or blog is only likely to be a politically motivated cover up in some way and therefore represents a corruption of the truth.

The above video clip does make it clear that certain people involved in the case were threatened or bribed with money.  That must cast a huge doubt on the testimony of these people if they were ever forthcoming.

The above clip represents the truth as far as it can be established because it was recorded a little nearer to the time of the incident by people who as far as one can tell were not threatened or bribed.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:31 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 01 November 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

What's up with the Youtube Zoser?

Did you get this from the link?




View Postpsyche101, on 01 November 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

What's up with the Youtube Zoser?

Did you get this from the link?





How does that affect the witness count?

No the above video was uploaded three years ago, and I suspect it is a year or two older than that.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:06 PM

View Postzoser, on 01 November 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

No the above video was uploaded three years ago, and I suspect it is a year or two older than that.


What, Mr Bragalias article? No it was written a few days ago. Look at the link.

Again, the testimonies have changed, one direct witness has entirely recanted.

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It has since been learned that one of the original girl witnesses to the creature (who has now married with a new name which will be withheld) has since converted to an evangelical religion and now dismissed the entire incident as youthful folly.


The doctor who allegedly performed the autopsy when the military brought whatever to the hospital also refuses the ET angle




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"Dear Mr. Aurimas:

I am very glad to know that you have a university education and particularly from Kaunas University of Technology. Therefore it is easier to be quite frank.

When I read an article either in magazines or in books published without the bearing of a scientific outlook, I must first know who are the authors and the reliability of their given information.

Unfortunately, all of the information about the Varginha ET involving my name, are the fruits of fantasyauthors and do not deserve any respect from me because they are liars.


And the police suspected a local person to begin with:


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In discussions with Lt. Col. Finholdt Pereira of the Varginha Police, it was learned that this is in fact who the police originally believed the three girls thought that they saw as an “ET.”


I dunno Zoser. It looks like people are not following through to me. Easy to get a scare in your youth.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:10 PM

Ok, I read the title wrong of this topic......

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:45 PM

View PostSakari, on 01 November 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

Ok, I read the title wrong of this topic......

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:33 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 01 November 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

What, Mr Bragalias article? No it was written a few days ago. Look at the link.

Again, the testimonies have changed, one direct witness has entirely recanted.




The doctor who allegedly performed the autopsy when the military brought whatever to the hospital also refuses the ET angle







And the police suspected a local person to begin with:





I dunno Zoser. It looks like people are not following through to me. Easy to get a scare in your youth.

Psyche you haven't listened to me or watched the video clip on the case.  I'm a little disappointed that again you have cherry picked the information instead of reviewing the testimonies from years ago and putting it together for yourself.

Just one more time:

The medical professionals, police, military, fireman never were on record having given testimonies.  I have watched various video clips on this case and read lots of material over the years and never have I come across a first hand testimony from them.

There is a reason for this as the investigators into the case years ago (and that's important) soon found out; they were bribed or threatened.  My posts make all this very clear.

The only first eyewitness testimonies I have seen are from the three girls, the lady at the zoo and the people who saw the craft.  Their testimonies to my knowledge have remained consistent.

1) So one has to ask; what testimonies are the police, doctors etc recanting?  they never gave them in the first place.

2) Why come forward after all these years and say it was all a fuss about nothing?  What prompted that?

3) The case stands on the eyewitness testimonies and this is all in the above clip.

This supposed new blog, or release of information is exactly like the Roswell release 5 years ago or so; to take pressure off the authorities after all the demands for disclosure.

So unless someone can prove that the testimonies in the video clip (and there are lots if them) are false, the new information should be regarded with a high degree of suspicion.

That's my adding up of the case.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:52 PM

Is this the same incident where a member of the military died after touching the "Alien" or am I mistaken? It's not mentioned in the article.

I remember watching a documentary about a similar situation in Brazil where the man inexplicably died after accidentally touching the alleged alien and in his autoposy there was a certain percentage of "unkown toxins" in his system or something of "unkown origin", something along those lines anyway.

Sorry if someone has already mentioned this by the way, I'm tired and so haven't read through the previous posts.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:55 PM

Yes, same incident.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:44 AM

View Postzoser, on 02 November 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

Psyche you haven't listened to me or watched the video clip on the case.  I'm a little disappointed that again you have cherry picked the information instead of reviewing the testimonies from years ago and putting it together for yourself.

I am much more disappointed that you have completely ignored the article, that which the thread is entirely about, and decided to start rambling on about an old Youtube clip that has you fascinated. Much self importance being imposed upon yourself by yourself there?

But the old youtube clip does not adress the points in the article, so you decided to change the direction of the thread. How like you.

View Postzoser, on 02 November 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

Just one more time:

The medical professionals, police, military, fireman never were on record having given testimonies.  I have watched various video clips on this case and read lots of material over the years and never have I come across a first hand testimony from them.

There is a reason for this as the investigators into the case years ago (and that's important) soon found out; they were bribed or threatened.  My posts make all this very clear.

Just one more time. You are no authority, your noobiness is rampant. If you continue to rely totally on youtube, which I personally find astoundingly lazy, then you will continue to be incorrect. Youtube is not an animated Encyclopaedia, despite your evaluation of it. One thing I can rely on is your consistency.


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On Sunday, June 16, the show "Programma de Domingo" identified the men involved in the three-truck convoy that transferred the aliens to Campinas, about 200 miles in distance, on January 23 at 4:00 AM. According to the broadcast, Lt. Col. Olimpio Wanderly Santos commanded the convoy, accompanied by two officers, Captain Ramirez and Lieutenant Tide, plus Sergeant Pedrosa from S-2, Brazilian military intelligence. Corporal Cirilo and Sergeant Pedrosa drove the middle truck with the aliens inside. The other trucks were driven by Private Vassalo and Private de Mello. Also a Jeep (Engesa type) was was part of the convoj. And from the Army Cadets Prep School where the convoj stayed for 9 hours, meanwhile the dead alien was taken to the University of Campinas, where the famous physician Dr. Fortunato Badan Palhares (he was the one who autopsied German Nazi Mengele, about ten years ago). did an autopsy of the dead EBE. Palhares, as well as any other authority involved, denies any such operation. But personal from the University has been seen in the Jardim Andere park collecting soil and vegetation-samples from where one of the EBEs was reported to have been caught. And researcher Eduardo Mondini came up with this:[/size][/font][/color][indent=1]”We managed to contact IML (instituto Médico Legal - Institute of Legal medicine) and the Armys headquarters in Campinas, but both authorities deny the exhumation. However, we found a military from Campinas who allegedly saw a document over his commanders desk, proving the E.T. had been in Campinas. We got with an emplyee of IML the information that on January 20-26 there had been military movement inside IML, in the Armys private drawers, in order to get a body in or out of there.
There is also information of an autopsy made at the Humanitas hospital by the same - Dr. Fortunato Badan Palhares, and Dr. Coradin Nesve. And that the dead alien later was taken to the Amarais Cementary near the University of Campinas where it was frozen for shipment. But probably it is the same autopsy made at Campinas University and the body later frozen, also in Campinas.
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Dr. Fortunato Badan Palheres has been implicated by several UFOlogists in the past. Had you did a little research you would be aware of this. So your proclamation that he is new to the case is dead wrong. Again.

Now once again for clarity:



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Svitojus emailed Palhares on August 23, 2012, with some very pointed questions.  Svitojus asked Palhares directly about his involvement or any knowledge of an ET captured in Varginha in 1996.

Here is the Dr.’s reply (roughly translated by Svitojus from Portuguese) and received on August 24, 2012:

"Dear Mr. Aurimas:

I am very glad to know that you have a university education and particularly from Kaunas University of Technology. Therefore it is easier to be quite frank.

When I read an article either in magazines or in books published without the bearing of a scientific outlook, I must first know who are the authors and the reliability of their given information.

Unfortunately, all of the information about the Varginha ET involving my name, are the fruits of fantasyauthors and do not deserve any respect from me because they are liars.

In some discussions I've had with "UFOlogists" who claim to have studied this case, nothing, absolutely nothing they brought materialized that was credible. They are conjectures, inferences, perhaps evenhallucinations.

I never discuss this issue with students, but when asked in lectures I have always said that: I DID NOT AND NEVER WAS CALLED TO DO ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING WITH THIS MATTER. Several reporters attendedthe occasion when these stories came out and visited the university where I worked but they had nothing of interest and never showed anything. Mr. Aurimas, there is nothing concrete, reliable and material about this. These stories about the Varginha ET for me do not deserve credit, that is my answer.

I hope I have satisfied your curiosity. I am a scientist and I do not need to hide such facts if they exist. I am not connected to any intelligence or defense agencies. I am a free citizen and unhindered to speak what I want and always acted this way in my personal and professional life. Nothing would stop me to saysomething if I was really involved."Svitojus emailed Palhares on August 23, 2012, with some very pointed questions.  Svitojus asked Palhares directly about his involvement or any knowledge of an ET captured in Varginha in 1996.

So now that you know the Dr. was involved all along, perhaps you could re-read the article.


View Postzoser, on 02 November 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

The only first eyewitness testimonies I have seen are from the three girls, the lady at the zoo and the people who saw the craft.  Their testimonies to my knowledge have remained consistent.

Considering the above that really is no surprise now is it?

View Postzoser, on 02 November 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

1) So one has to ask; what testimonies are the police, doctors etc recanting?  they never gave them in the first place.

Then just ask, do not make stuff up.

No? Already proven you wrong on the Dr. The hospital administrator implicated the police, was that not on Youtube?


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This was observed by several people as the police had stopped all traffic to ease the route for the three-truck, and Jeep, -convoj

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In August 2004, was revealed in Brazil a long interview of researcher Ubirajara Franco Rodrigues with Dr Cesário L. Furtado, one of the physicians who had attempted, without succes, to heal the young policeman Marco Eli Chereze, deceased less than a month after having been in contact with one of the mysterious beings captured in Varginha, in January 1996.

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The Hospital Regional Administator, Adilson Usier Leite, reveals that in the following week of the alleged ET appearance, the two town hospitals were stage of exceptional movement. In Hospital Regional, a Fire Brigade car took a exhumated body to have an spine x-ray. It was a engineering student, son of a traditional family of the town, that was found dead in his civil Police cell, after being arrested, accused of stealing. In Hospital Humanitas, that Leite also administrated on that occasion, the exceptional movements was because of the arrival of equipment for the realization of the first heart transplant in the town.
"When this ET story appeared, I thought better not to comment that police and fire brigade had been in the Regional", says Leite


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The police superintendant himself, who lead the inquiry, was not able to be present at the autopsy of the policeman, in spite of his insistance in the face of the police corps in which Chereze served.


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They would be the Police in question Zoser.



View Postzoser, on 02 November 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

2) Why come forward after all these years and say it was all a fuss about nothing?  What prompted that?

Do you questions "Whistleblowers" the same about time frames? No? Why not?

What prompts anything? Mr Bragalia seems to be treading the path of the skeptic in recent releases. Perhaps he has come to his senses. I do not know. It could simply be that someone read it, knew the town, and went "this is BS" and let the cat out of the bag. Why is it suspicious that after all these years one might finally stop BSing others perhaps out of a sense of maturity? It was like 1983 before those involved with the Cottingley Fairies finally fessed up.

View Postzoser, on 02 November 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

3) The case stands on the eyewitness testimonies and this is all in the above clip.

No it does not. I pointed outy to you in the last post that one of the girls has come forward and said it's all BS, and the other two are not anyplace to be seen. I do note neither has stepped forward to challenge the recant of the direct witness.

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It has since been learned that one of the original girl witnesses to the creature (who has now married with a new name which will be withheld) has since converted to an evangelical religion and now dismissed the entire incident as youthful folly.

Some people do grow up you see.


View Postzoser, on 02 November 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

This supposed new blog, or release of information is exactly like the Roswell release 5 years ago or so; to take pressure off the authorities after all the demands for disclosure.

So unless someone can prove that the testimonies in the video clip (and there are lots if them) are false, the new information should be regarded with a high degree of suspicion.

That's my adding up of the case.

All I agree with is that any revelation should be regarded with suspicion, yet you have not managed to scratch Mr Bragalias claim. You have had a fair old whine about it though, nothing productive.

Zoser, I will not dismiss new information that has come to light and insist in sticking with the now recanted information. That is nothing short of a joke and a bit silly of you to recommend. But it does illustrate your research method.

Your calculator appears to be broken.


This is not a "new blog" Anthony Bragalia is a UM member as well. His blog has been active for years on end, pushing (ironically considering your Roswell comment) a proponents view of the Roswell claim, insisting it was ET. You would have more in common with Mr Bragalia then you apparently realise. This is why I stated in this thread several times that yes, the information should be checked for consistency, yet you only seem to have half the story from the get go. How do you expect one to take you seriously when you are calling this ET because you only listen to the old information, and only know half the story?

Edited by psyche101, 07 November 2012 - 03:48 AM.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:51 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 07 November 2012 - 03:44 AM, said:

I am much more disappointed that you have completely ignored the article, that which the thread is entirely about, and decided to start rambling on about an old Youtube clip that has you fascinated. Much self importance being imposed upon yourself by yourself there?

But the old youtube clip does not adress the points in the article, so you decided to change the direction of the thread. How like you.



Just one more time. You are no authority, your noobiness is rampant. If you continue to rely totally on youtube, which I personally find astoundingly lazy, then you will continue to be incorrect. Youtube is not an animated Encyclopaedia, despite your evaluation of it. One thing I can rely on is your consistency.



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Dr. Fortunato Badan Palheres has been implicated by several UFOlogists in the past. Had you did a little research you would be aware of this. So your proclamation that he is new to the case is dead wrong. Again.

Now once again for clarity:





So now that you know the Dr. was involved all along, perhaps you could re-read the article.




Considering the above that really is no surprise now is it?



Then just ask, do not make stuff up.

No? Already proven you wrong on the Dr. The hospital administrator implicated the police, was that not on Youtube?








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LINK

They would be the Police in question Zoser.





Do you questions "Whistleblowers" the same about time frames? No? Why not?

What prompts anything? Mr Bragalia seems to be treading the path of the skeptic in recent releases. Perhaps he has come to his senses. I do not know. It could simply be that someone read it, knew the town, and went "this is BS" and let the cat out of the bag. Why is it suspicious that after all these years one might finally stop BSing others perhaps out of a sense of maturity? It was like 1983 before those involved with the Cottingley Fairies finally fessed up.



No it does not. I pointed outy to you in the last post that one of the girls has come forward and said it's all BS, and the other two are not anyplace to be seen. I do note neither has stepped forward to challenge the recant of the direct witness.



Some people do grow up you see.




All I agree with is that any revelation should be regarded with suspicion, yet you have not managed to scratch Mr Bragalias claim. You have had a fair old whine about it though, nothing productive.

Zoser, I will not dismiss new information that has come to light and insist in sticking with the now recanted information. That is nothing short of a joke and a bit silly of you to recommend. But it does illustrate your research method.

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This is not a "new blog" Anthony Bragalia is a UM member as well. His blog has been active for years on end, pushing (ironically considering your Roswell comment) a proponents view of the Roswell claim, insisting it was ET. You would have more in common with Mr Bragalia then you apparently realise. This is why I stated in this thread several times that yes, the information should be checked for consistency, yet you only seem to have half the story from the get go. How do you expect one to take you seriously when you are calling this ET because you only listen to the old information, and only know half the story?

Just cherry picking the 'facts u like' and ignoring all of the work that was done on this case years ago.  Testimony is testimony until proven false.  In the case of the female witnesses that has never happened.  So yet again we have original witnesses then a good number of years later some wag pops up with another story and the skeptics breathe a sigh of relief, exclaim "thank God we can all go home now".

Not this time.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:36 PM

View Postzoser, on 07 November 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

Just cherry picking the 'facts u like' and ignoring all of the work that was done on this case years ago.  Testimony is testimony until proven false.  In the case of the female witnesses that has never happened.  So yet again we have original witnesses then a good number of years later some wag pops up with another story and the skeptics breathe a sigh of relief, exclaim "thank God we can all go home now".

Not this time.


Zoser, you re the one dismissing evidence. Current evidence refutes the older evidence, your evaluation is a definition of cherry picking.

The desperation is strong in this one.

Ohh yeah, and good points you brought up in your defence there LOL :w00t:

Edited by psyche101, 07 November 2012 - 07:36 PM.

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