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[Harte]

the L, on 02 November 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

80 000 years...And when humans came in America?

No one knows for sure, and no one in the profession is making any claims to knowing the answer to that question.

The point being that the Hueyatlaco site has yet to be reliably dated even to this day.  This means that you can't go by the findings there.  Regardless of what you want it to mean.

Harte

[Harte]

the L, on 02 November 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

Btw Virginia Steen MacIntyre claimed that site was 250 000 BC. And woman loose her job and start selling flowers. She became outcast.


Edit: @all

And house is build on top of site.

The site is still there.  And Steen-MacIntyre is still working today in the profession.  What you've read is simply crap.

Harte

[pbarosso]

yeah, there is no cover up because it makes no sense. if there is a coverup archaeologically then there would be in other sciences too, like physics and fission. there is no reason to cover up pstuff because researchers make money to come up with correct and peer reviewed discoveries.

[pallidin]

"Suppressed Knowledge", I suppose, has been an aspect of civilization from times past to current.

Edited by pallidin, 03 November 2012 - 04:14 AM.

[Abramelin]

the L, on 02 November 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Wait a minute. You saw skull in museum that dates from 100 000 BC from Peru?

Yes. And not just some skull, but a skull with very protruding eyebrows.

But yeah, like I said I was in doubt whether I had read 100,000 or 10,000. I remember 100,000, but because that seems kind of unlikely, I started doubting what the right number was.

Well, if anyone ever visits Peru (Arequipa), they can check for themselves.

This is how the skulll looked:


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I should add that the photo above is not the actual skull I saw. I had made several pics of objects inside the little museum, but I failed to make a shot of the sideways (halfway between 'en face' and 'en profil') flattened fossilized skull because it was too dark for my cheap camera. I was also not able to use flash because the skull with the Xeroxed newspaper article was inside a glass showcase and the flashlight got reflected.

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Edited by Abramelin, 03 November 2012 - 10:23 AM.

[the L]

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@Harte
Maybe now she works again. But she become outcast. Who know myabe she sells herself.

[Karyotype]

I guess studying suppressed knowledge is dangerous for your professional aspirations.  Virginia Steen MacIntyre lost her job and is now a hooker? Sounds to be a tough profession!

[Abramelin]

Karyotype, on 04 November 2012 - 02:03 AM, said:

I guess studying suppressed knowledge is dangerous for your professional aspirations.  Virginia Steen MacIntyre lost her job and is now a hooker? Sounds to be a tough profession!

Today, all that is gone. My last job was as a gardener, caring for flower-beds in a local nursing home a few hours a week.

http://www.s8int.com...ng-science.html

[chopmo]

The only real basis I see people arguing about in this thread is basically if there isn't a pyramid or some monolithic structure it never happened, whats to say inca/ect. preacessors couldn't possibly do the same thing they did in what we know of recorded history that being making tents from carcasses and living from the land because they never left anything or built mass structures for future newer worlds of society to see, maybe they were busy I don't know like building a civilization and thought they wouldn't need to document because they either didn't have means to do so or they thought their civ would survive forever and at that point didnt see reason to do so, like kingdoms thought and still think similar to this today only we hectically organise and document absolutely everything in the fear that we will parish like the rest of the "lost documents". Maybe it's one of our species biggest lesson learnt over millenea to document everything so we don't become lost like us before. Furthermore whats to say the ocean level was exactly the same and not a mile lower/higher or anything really and they could be just burried under shallow ocean something we don't really excavate enough.

My main point being there isn't enough to just discard it instamatically and tbh there's not enough to start wetting your pants of the possibility that you can dig up your backyard and find a town if you go deep enough. This will more than likely be in my "quite possibly pile" till the end of time because the modern world is too arrogant to admit a fatal mistake if there ever is to be one on this scale proven... sad but true.

Edited by chopmo, 23 November 2012 - 10:26 AM.

[Harte]

Abramelin, on 04 November 2012 - 03:37 AM, said:

Today, all that is gone. My last job was as a gardener, caring for flower-beds in a local nursing home a few hours a week.

http://www.s8int.com...ng-science.html

The incident that supposedly ruined her life happened in 1973-74.

Here's a paper she presented to the Geological Society of America in 2008:
Link to site where you can open the pdf.

Didn't know the GSA invited flower vendors to present at their conferences.

Harte

[Abramelin]

Harte, on 24 November 2012 - 02:46 AM, said:

The incident that supposedly ruined her life happened in 1973-74.

Here's a paper she presented to the Geological Society of America in 2008:
Link to site where you can open the pdf.

Didn't know the GSA invited flower vendors to present at their conferences.



Harte

You can write a paper even when your daily job is sweeping streets.

Having no 'grand job' doesn't mean you've turned into an idiot.

[Abramelin]

chopmo, on 23 November 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

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Furthermore whats to say the ocean level was exactly the same and not a mile lower/higher
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We know the sea levels in ancient times weren't the same as they are now, but a MILE difference??

[Harte]

Abramelin, on 24 November 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

You can write a paper even when your daily job is sweeping streets.

Having no 'grand job' doesn't mean you've turned into an idiot.

No doubt.

Usually, however, you don't present it at a conference.

Not saying she didn't sell flowers.  I am saying that if her life was "ruined," then she was the party responsible for it and no one else.

Obviously, she eventually got back in the game either way.  You can find other conferences where she has presented over the years.

How much do you think a geologist makes, on average, that works in academia or for the USGS?  Probably about the same as a flower vendor.

Harte

[cormac mac airt]

Abramelin, on 24 November 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

We know the sea levels in ancient times weren't the same as they are now, but a MILE difference??

I'm thinking 400 feet lower at its greatest extent (Last Glacial Maximum) is just 'a bit' less than a mile, don't you Abe?  

cormac