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#16    coldethyl


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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:31 AM

View Postsrp, on 04 November 2012 - 12:25 AM, said:

My temporal punishment was a call to receive gods' grace ( to begin my vocation as a child of God). Why would God employ Lucifer to test man? God said that we were only human and that we would not understand.
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How Christian of you to say so when I am asking questions to understand.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 05:04 AM

View Postsrp, on 03 November 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

I do not believe that Lucifer mingles with the angels. It is believe that Lucifer is sometimes still employed by God. God told Job when he pleaded why, that he would not understand for he is only human. Lucifer wanted Job to lose faith.

God is a god of love. He he gave to the world his only begotten son so that we would not be evil and wicked for all of eternity and thirst for all the things that only a most loving creator can give us - love, family, friends, worth,  value, and happiness. Without him, it would be bettter off had we not been born!

With all due respect, it is why I noted Job 1:6 in my post.  "..the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them."

Angels are called "the sons of God".   Another mention is Gen.6:2: "the sons of God" - the account of the fallen angels and the Nephilim.  The exact time of Job is unknown.  The Hebrew Greek Key Study Bible says nowhere is the Law of Moses or the nation of Israel mentioned.  Many believe Job lived at the same time as Abraham.  I'm inclined to agree that this is not an account of Israel coming to a Levitical observance but rather it is an account of the angels (with Satan coming among them) gathering to present themselves to God.

God says he is a God of love, but he is also all the things I mentioned in my previous post.  This is not "me" saying it - it is God's own admission.  Everything I said can be found in the Bible.  It might give a new perspective to study the Old Testament and not just the New, as most Christians are inclined to do.   

Okay, God gave his only begotten son.  How did he go about getting His son?  It's really a moot point how He did it, He broke his own law by impregnating a man's wife (betrothed).  Deut 22, to mention one example.  And how about Deut 23:2 -- "No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the LORD;"   If Jesus was really the son of YHWH, he was illegitimate.

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