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#16    Legaia

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:19 AM

Hutt,

The majority of both parties are exactly the same. I am sure, at least to yourself, that you can admit that. The democrips do not care about the poor and the children, and the rebloodlicans do not care about tax relief for people like you and I, or even the "rich". They both pander to everyone so everyone will vote for one of them, thus increasing the fed's power. The concept is so simple, yet lost on so many. Just look at what happens to every single politician who is an outsider that starts to gain the attention of the people. I know you're more intelligent that some of the things you write, such as "agreeing with the democratic ideology".

So what could Obama do? Pretty much the opposite of everything his puppet masters have had him do the past four years. In 2008 he ran as a candidate that would be that kind of president, or at least something close to it, and I took the bait. Do I hate him for it? You bet. But my hate extends so far beyond him.

Edited by Legaia, 02 November 2012 - 09:20 AM.


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:07 AM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 01 November 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

Question for Repubs...

So Repubs constantly call Obama a bad leader and uncompromising. So my question is what could he do to change your opinion of him? Answers such as "put a bullet threw his head," resign, or agree with Repubs will be taken as "there is nothing he can do to change my opinion."

So let's hear it...what can he do?

Hey Hut. Great question. I cant really speak for republicans but, there are a number of things 0bama would have to do inorder to gain my trust. First would be a totaly honest independent audit of the federal reserve. Then when wrong doing is found, and it will be, arrest and convict those involved. Next thing would be ( I dont know how he'd do it) repealing parts of NDAA where the military can arrest and detain indefinitly a American citizan. Can even go so far as to torcher and or kill said person. Next, he'd have to rip up the patriot act, and burn the left over pieces live on TV. Then he'd have to disband the TSA, and allow airports to hire private security. No more naked body scanners, and no more molesting pat downs. Then, assuming he didnt have anything to do with it, he'd have to throw some people under the bus for fast and furious. Leave Iraq and Afgan indefinitly, as quickly as it could be done. Stop all foriegn aid, least till we are back on our feet here at home. Eliminate homeland scurity, or at least fire the people there, and hire people who dont see every single one of us as a possible terrorist. This would be a really good start.

Edited by preacherman76, 02 November 2012 - 11:09 AM.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:27 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 01 November 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

Question for Repubs...

So Repubs constantly call Obama a bad leader and uncompromising. So my question is what could he do to change your opinion of him? Answers such as "put a bullet threw his head," resign, or agree with Repubs will be taken as "there is nothing he can do to change my opinion."

So let's hear it...what can he do?

1.  He could have actually used the stimulus funding as promised - shovel ready jobs - the whole thing was a fiasco.  All it did was funnel money into losing propositions (Solyndra anyone) and allow bloated state and local governments to keep running "business as usual" instead of making the cuts they needed to make to bring their fiscal houses in order.  It was more crack for the crackheads frankly.

2.  He pledged to cut the deficit in half.  Rather than do that he increased it by $6 TRILLION dollars.  While the reality of things is that he probably couldn't have cut it in half, I would have let him slide with only cutting it by, say, 10%.  Hell, I would have cut him some slack if he'd simply kept it at 2008 levels or increased it by a few hundred billion.

3. Close Gitmo - seriously, this could have been done on day one.

Edited by Rafterman, 02 November 2012 - 02:29 PM.


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 03:30 PM

View PostMichelle, on 01 November 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:


Well, I have a pretty long list, such as expanding the Patriot Act and the TSA intrusions...not shutting down Gitmo, making it possible to hold American citizens indefinitely without trial if accused of terrorism....

The Patriot Act isn’t as bad as it seems.  It doesn’t give the government carte blanche to wire tap any American citizen.  It’s only those that are in contact with known terrorists.  Casual contact is easy to rule out.  Under Bush, it was there to protect America but with it in place under Obama, it’s there to protect the regime.  It can be used to wire tap any American considered a threat.  I.e. that’s why Napolitano labeled vets, people with guns, and those that believe in GOD as potential enemies of the state.  It’s just another chess piece put in place.  Another piece is the FCC, Fairness Doctrine, and so called network neutrality.

Gitmo should never be closed but Obama was making a promise he couldn’t keep.  Politicians do that all the time but there are things that you don’t try to reverse unless you know what you are talking about.  And national defense is not his strong suit.  You have to give him partial credit for pulling the string on getting Bin Laden but how many realize the covert ops that he destroyed and the alliances he has threatened for a few political points?

These are just a few things that reveal the character of Obama which helps to answer that he’s done enough.


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 04:36 PM

Other things to look at is his promise to have the most transparent Administration in history.  That never happened.  The best example is his Birth Certificate.  A little disclaimer here because it seems to still be a hot subject.  I discuss his BC here not because I may or may not believe that he was born here, but because it is an issue.  Personally at this point in time, I believe that he was born in Hawaii, but the whole saga behind this leaves one wondering about the honesty of Obama.  A 5 year old should be able to tell the difference between the short form and the long form and know why in this situation, the SF was not an adequate substitute for the LF and only a complete forensic examination of the record in the actual archive will provide sufficient proof.  Again, where Obama was born is not the subject of this thread.  That this whole mess could have been satisfied years ago is.  Where he was born doesn’t matter now anyway.  Although I would propose that for *ALL* future Presidents, an independent commission be assembled to go to the archive that the BC is housed and do a forensic examination.  This would meet the Constitutional requirement and stop this crap.  Academically, it has been a very enlightening event, but a President should have never let it go this far, which means that he didn’t understand it or was hiding something.  This is not rocket science.  He’s an expert of Constitutional law.  So what was he hiding?

I am satisfied with him being born here, so why the secrecy with the President spending a million to keep his files sealed?  What I think is that he lied about being born in Kenya when applying to college, i.e. to be able to qualify for a Fulbright Scholarship.  But that troubles me to think that this would cause his support to dwindle even an ounce if known.  So what else is there?  I don’t know of any other President that has been as secretive and for whatever reason this is troublesome.  If a President can’t be trustworthy in something as basic as this, then what does that say for the rest of his agenda?

Obamacare is another prime example that he’s done too much.  People are quick to point out that healthcare is a Republican idea and they’re right.  In the original version, it was full of Republican ideas but as each successive version came out, fewer and fewer Republican ideas remained.  How many times did Obama claim in public that his door was open for anyone with good ideas but when Republicans came forward, that door closed shut?  Yes, this bill was passed legally, but one would think that a law of such magnitude should pass with bipartisan support.  There was no such support and that will bring into question its long lasting sustainability.  Not one Republican Senator voted for it and it’s clear that half of the country does not want it.  Yet we get this crammed down our throats at a time when the President should have been working on improving the economy and creating jobs (which he has failed miserably).  If this wasn’t serious, it would a Greek comedy or is it a tragedy??  Who knows?  This is not a man concerned with the needs and wants of the American people and the American way of life as it is forcing his concept of a socialist utopia on fiercely rugged individuals.  This is the Dreams of his father, but the thing is, is that’s not the dreams of our Founding Fathers.

What can he do when he’s done so much so wrong?


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:45 PM

View PostRafterman, on 02 November 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

1.  He could have actually used the stimulus funding as promised - shovel ready jobs - the whole thing was a fiasco.  All it did was funnel money into losing propositions (Solyndra anyone) and allow bloated state and local governments to keep running "business as usual"

it did go to shovel ready projects. A lot of them. It was NOT a fiasco. Solyndra was one minor failure out of a lot of successes. It also went to governments so they would not have to lay off employees. that's certainly not a failure.

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2.  He pledged to cut the deficit in half.

sure. before the 2008 recession.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 12:19 AM

View Postninjadude, on 02 November 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

it did go to shovel ready projects. A lot of them. It was NOT a fiasco. Solyndra was one minor failure out of a lot of successes. It also went to governments so they would not have to lay off employees. that's certainly not a failure.



sure. before the 2008 recession.

I don't know why I bother replying to you, because I know you won't return the favor. Don't worry though, I know it's not because you don't want to. It's just that you can't ever back up any of the crap you write on here.

With that being said, can you back up that first claim you made?


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Posted 03 November 2012 - 02:40 AM

http://stimuluswatch...roject/by_state

http://www.recovery....es/default.aspx  << Don't you know that you can go to recovery.gov to find out where and how the money was spent? It completely debunks your position. Just click on each one of the three bars in the graph to find out where the money was spent. There are literally thousands of success stories. The sad thing is Republicans deriding the stimulus while ribbon cutting on those same projects.

Then there's the Mitt whoppers about clean energy that conservatives flog relentlessly. Nothing he says is correct. Nothing.
http://www.factcheck...nergy-whoppers/

Mitt Romney made numerous bogus claims in the Oct. 3 debate about the $90 billion in grants, guaranteed loans and tax breaks for energy projects in the stimulus bill:
  • Romney falsely claimed “about half” of the clean-energy companies that received U.S.-backed loans “have gone out of business.” But 26 companies received loan guarantees under a loan program cited by Romney, and three of those have filed for bankruptcy. The three firms were approved for about 6 percent of the loan guarantees.
  • Romney incorrectly claimed the “$90 billion in breaks to the green energy world” was provided “in one year.” It was over several years.
  • He stated at one point that Obama put $90 billion “into solar and wind.” But only $21 billion went for renewable energy projects, “such as the installation of wind turbines and solar panels,” according to a White House document cited by the Romney campaign. The spending also included $18 billion for transit projects and $10 billion to upgrade the nation’s electrical grid.
  • He falsely claimed the $90 billion was equal to “about 50 years’ worth of what oil and gas receives” in tax breaks, which he estimated at $2.8 billion. By his own figures, it would have been 32 years’ worth. But it’s even less than that. The administration estimates that eliminating oil and gas tax preferences would raise about $3.9 billion a year (23 years’ worth). The industry itself says the administration would increase its taxes by $8.5 billion a year (10.5 years’ worth).
  • He falsely claimed Obama “put $90 billion into green jobs … that would have hired 2 million teachers.” But that $90 billion included loans, not just grant money, and the government can’t hire teachers with loans.
The seven other sub-categories of “clean-energy” projects identified in the report were:
  • $29 billion for energy efficiency, including $5 billion for the weatherization of low-income homes;
  • $10 billion to modernize the nation’s electric grid;
  • $6 billion for domestic manufacturing of advanced batteries and other components of alternative vehicles and fuel technology;
  • $18 billion for transit projects, including high-speed rail;
  • $3 billion for researching and developing clean-coal technology;
  • $3 billion for job training;
  • $2 billion in manufacturing tax credits.
So, clearly, the $90 billion wasn’t just for wind and solar project

But there were a total of 26 companies that received approval for $16 billion in loan guarantees under the section 1705 program. So, 11.5 percent of the companies — not half — have filed for bankruptcy. And those companies were approved for a little more than 6 percent of the $16 billion in total loan guarantees.
Two other companies were awarded a total of $10.3 billion in loan guarantees by the Obama administration under the section 1703 program. So, if you count them, the bankruptcy rate would fall to under 11 percent, and the money at risk drops to about 4 percent.

First, the $90 billion was not given out “in one year.” It was provided over several years to numerous federal agencies. For example, the Department of Energy was authorized to spend $41.7 billion – “$35.2 billion for projects and activities and $6.5 billion in borrowing authority” – but had spent only 36 percent of its stimulus funds as of March 10, 2011, according to a Government Accountability Office report.

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You are absolutely correct about Obama promising to cut the budget in half. I was wrong.

On the other hand George W Bush promised the exact same thing and you re-elected him as well.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:10 AM

View PostRavenHawk, on 02 November 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

In the original version, it was full of Republican ideas but as each successive version came out, fewer and fewer Republican ideas remained.  

You've got that backwards.





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