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#46    preacherman76

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:32 PM

(NaturalNews) Eating genetically modified corn (GM corn) and consuming trace levels of Monsanto's Roundup chemical fertilizer caused rats to develop horrifying tumors, widespread organ damage, and premature death. That's the conclusion of a shocking new study that looked at the long-term effects of consuming Monsanto's genetically modified corn.

The study has been deemed "the most thorough research ever published into the health effects of GM food crops and the herbicide Roundup on rats." News of the horrifying findings is spreading like wildfire across the internet, with even the mainstream media seemingly in shock over the photos of rats with multiple grotesque tumors... tumors so large the rats even had difficulty breathing in some cases. GMOs may be the new thalidomide.



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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:34 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 07 November 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

Quite so, but never before has a plant been altered with a poison producing gene from a fish or a reptile, which opens a completely new can of worms.

I like my fish corn scaly.

View Postpreacherman76, on 07 November 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

(NaturalNews) Eating genetically modified corn (GM corn) and consuming trace levels of Monsanto's Roundup chemical fertilizer caused rats to develop horrifying tumors, widespread organ damage, and premature death. That's the conclusion of a shocking new study that looked at the long-term effects of consuming Monsanto's genetically modified corn.

The study has been deemed "the most thorough research ever published into the health effects of GM food crops and the herbicide Roundup on rats." News of the horrifying findings is spreading like wildfire across the internet, with even the mainstream media seemingly in shock over the photos of rats with multiple grotesque tumors... tumors so large the rats even had difficulty breathing in some cases. GMOs may be the new thalidomide.



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This is off topic and that study was horribly flawed.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:35 PM

Here are some quotes from the researchers:

"This research shows an extraordinary number of tumors developing earlier and more aggressively - particularly in female animals. I am shocked by the extreme negative health impacts." - Dr Michael Antoniou, molecular biologist, King's College London.

"We can expect that the consumption of GM maize and the herbicide Roundup, impacts seriously on human health." - Dr Antoniou.

"This is the first time that a long-term animal feeding trial has examined the impact of feeding GM corn or the herbicide Roundup, or a combination of both and the results are extremely serious. In the male rats, there was liver and kidney disorders, including tumors and even more worryingly, in the female rats, there were mammary tumors at a level which is extremely concerning; up to 80 percent of the female rats had mammary tumors by the end of the trial." - Patrick Holden, Director, Sustainable Food Trust.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:36 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 07 November 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:


This is off topic and that study was horribly flawed.

How so? And according to who?

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:41 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 07 November 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

How so? And according to who?

There's an entire thread on here about it. It was bad science. Bad statistics, tumor prone rats, poor control groups, etc.
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This is the last I'll say of it here to not derail this thread further.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 07 November 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

How were women and gays bought off?
By blindsiding the Republicans that were focused on the economy, creating and hitting the weak points on the Republican platform.  Like I said right out of Alinski.  When the headache wears off, they will see that womenís or gay Rights will do nothing to improve the economy.  And as enslaved prostitutes, will find no way out.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:49 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 07 November 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

There's an entire thread on here about it. It was bad science. Bad statistics, tumor prone rats, poor control groups, etc.
http://www.unexplain...o

This is the last I'll say of it here to not derail this thread further.

Fair enough, this will be the last thing I say one the subject as well. The fact that this is the first study of it kind, being that it was longer then 6 months, and the things it did in fact find, are troubling to say the least. To just completly dismiss it, without at least insisting further studies be done, would be a shame.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:00 PM

View PostPurifier, on 07 November 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:





Lol. Yeah...you mean "going in the wrong direction" for Richie Rich, right? If I had millions of dollars or owned a business/corporation and worshipped Greed as my new god, I'd probably say the same damn thing. But it looks like to me the latest votes in this country have spoken and not the so-called "status quo".

The vote talks, everything else walks.
The vote does talk but according to the popular vote a hard statement clearly wasnt made for one side or another. We are still split in half, congress is nearly identical and tensions will hardly sooth. This is no guarantee that anything different will happen and this is not a free pass for Obama to enact all the dreams of his father. DC operations are still gonna look like gridlock in New York City after Sandy.

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 07 November 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Yet the Republicans fight to make it a government issue. Fighting to ban gay marriage is putting it into the governments hands. Ironically, the Republicans are about less government invovlement...

And doesn't your side fight to make it an issue also? If they were keeping it out of government they should take my stance and say its not their business to get involved.

View PostSherapy, on 07 November 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

As a person there will be times when you have to have clear boundaries and a back bone and Obama has shown himself to be such a person. There will be times you have to make a decision and no one will agree, but you have to move forward regardless.. This is called maturity. Even then you can  make mistakes and sometimes as humans we make really bad ones, if this happens you pick yourself up and you man up and learn from it. This too is called maturity.
Backbone? Just one small example. He was against gay marriage until Joe Biden was for it. He instantaneously diverted from his convictions. That isn't moving forward. That's pandering.

View PostSherapy, on 07 November 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

I'd say if one is Independent do not give up, keep fighting, movements always begin with one person.
That would be great if independents didn't keep voting for the establishment.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:40 PM

What have I learned though...
As my first real run being heavily interested and concerned with politics for an entire four years of one president I have learned that it really take an emotional and mentally stressful toll on me. A question for you older folks well into middle age who have sustained a passion for politics... How the hell do you do it? I'm really not sure ATM that I have it in me to be so passionate for another four years. This was a massive blow and it don't feel good. I ask you because apparently you've been through the ropes with multiple ups and downs.
I have learned that as a resident of Pennsylvania so long as I don't vote blue my presidential vote absolutely will not count. That's kind of off-putting.
I have learned that polls are right and polls are wrong and none can be taken as gospel until Election Day.
I have learned that pundits don't know squat. They just have the gift of gab. While they may present facts at times, opinions are what they are.
I have learned that folks like preacherman are likely absolutely correct. Thanks in much part to him along with many others here on UM and a little bit of Glenn Beck I have learned that I am most certainly more aligned with libertarianism. In 2008 and even in '10 I was still a rookie at all this and thought that I was a Republican. Nearly all my votes, any available, this time were libertarian except Romney because I was more concerned with ridding Obama than believing in Romney. Mitt never was my first choice but in the end I felt he was my only choice. That doesn't mean I thought he was completely a bad choice though. Also, there were two unchallenged dems on my ticket and I voted no choice. I certainly will never vote D under any circumstance. Most of our views are just far too contradictory.
I have learned that America is split at the 50 yard line and all this election hoopla was for nothing. The dems lost several million votes since 2008, the repubs stayed around the same. While they pulled off a a win they failed to show any gain in support but neither did repubs. Mostly though, we are as divided as ever and heading for certain disaster. The only hope I had for Romney and maybe mixing up congress a little was that at least with new players there might've been a possibility for something good or different. Now it's the same and I still think we are heading for a brick wall at 90mph.
I have learned other things I'm sure but that's all I got for now.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:57 PM

and here was me thinking you just didnt want someone who belived in magic underpants in charge of you nuclear weapons.but im just a ignorant brit :)


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:20 PM

I learned that America is 49% producers and 51% takers, as long as the takers are in power I will do my best just to make enough to get by so I dont have to support all the takers anymore. maybe I will get me an obamaphone.


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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:31 PM

I learned that for so  many people,  if they complain hard enough and cry about an election lost... they can wake up bright and early next day and find  everything going just how they wanted it..Because crying, moaning, yapping and complaining will work wonders.. ...Best part is, it won't be the result of PMS   lol...I do kid on that by the way

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:53 PM

Honestly, I've  always been one of those inependent, not affiliated, voters, I still am. I vote for moderate republicans and moderate democrats, wishing to keep things close but in the middle. I have NO use for radicals on either side

However, this being said, I've vote for VERY few repubs in the last 12 years or so. They've gone TOO far to the nutbag right side. Women need to keep their reproductive rights with access to affordable and reliable contraception and the right to chooe. Same sex marriage needs to be granted the same rights as all other marriages. States need to be able to decide if they're going to allow marijuana sales.  Those are the moral issues that mean a lot to me. Frankly, health care reform means a lot ot me as well. Obamacare isnt the answer, but it's better than nothing.

The fiscal issues... I don't know who's qualified to fix those yet. I haven't heard ANYONE come up with the right answer on that. It's probably going to involve raising taxes but it also needs to dramatically cut spending in a HUGE way. Neither party seems to want to do that and neither have suggested anything that makes any sense yet. No party has to be honest.

The republicans need to go back to doing what they have generally done somewhat well several decades ago... handle the budget. They've wasted SO much time on moral social issues, that they seem to have lost the ability to do anything but muck aournd in social issues very few people want them involved in.

Both parties need to move back into the middle-ish and start working together. If they can't do that... .we're SUNK.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:13 AM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 07 November 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Honestly, I've  always been one of those inependent, not affiliated, voters, I still am. I vote for moderate republicans and moderate democrats, wishing to keep things close but in the middle. I have NO use for radicals on either side

However, this being said, I've vote for VERY few repubs in the last 12 years or so. They've gone TOO far to the nutbag right side. Women need to keep their reproductive rights with access to affordable and reliable contraception and the right to chooe. Same sex marriage needs to be granted the same rights as all other marriages. States need to be able to decide if they're going to allow marijuana sales.  Those are the moral issues that mean a lot to me. Frankly, health care reform means a lot ot me as well. Obamacare isnt the answer, but it's better than nothing.

The fiscal issues... I don't know who's qualified to fix those yet. I haven't heard ANYONE come up with the right answer on that. It's probably going to involve raising taxes but it also needs to dramatically cut spending in a HUGE way. Neither party seems to want to do that and neither have suggested anything that makes any sense yet. No party has to be honest.

The republicans need to go back to doing what they have generally done somewhat well several decades ago... handle the budget. They've wasted SO much time on moral social issues, that they seem to have lost the ability to do anything but muck aournd in social issues very few people want them involved in.

Both parties need to move back into the middle-ish and start working together. If they can't do that... .we're SUNK.
I can agree with some of what you said. I definitely agree with gigantic spending cuts but not tax hikes. No amount tax hikes or even complete confiscation of all wealth is going to make a dent in the 16 trillion dollar debt. Along with spending cuts I have to agree with something along the lines of what Donald trump said during his mock run for candidacy... First, eliminate foreign aid to enemy territories like Pakistan. Second, enact real policy that says that if you want our foreign aid money you must agree to be obligated to pay it back, monetarily. If you disagree or renig then the supply is cut off indefinately or permanently which I assume would be circumstantial. Some of that may be my own but basically that's what I remember. Sounds fair to me. Otherwise we shouldn't waste all those billions. We are all about helping out but nothing's free. We can't afford to be every bodies savior.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:46 AM

View PostWoIverine, on 07 November 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

That it has literally become an idiocracy in the United States. Especially California.

No that will officially happen when Jesse Ventura runs for president in four years. There are people already hoping for this. I shudder to imagine it.

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