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#106    Night Walker

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:16 AM

View PostInsanity, on 04 April 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

What specifically do you mean?  Many primate species exhibit bipedalism to varying degrees.  Any species within the order Primates, or only within Hominoids?

Surprise me - any predominantly bipedal, tail-less, human-sized or greater, non-modern-human primate fossil or remains within the Americas will do.

Of course, petrified giants have been found in the past but that only goes to show how much folk enjoy messing with other folk throughout history. Has anything really changed?

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:12 AM

View PostNight Walker, on 04 April 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

Can you point to any fossil evidence of bipedal primates (not modern Homo sapiens) within the Americas? Or is that just a crazy and unfounded minor detail?
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:15 AM

Fascinating...

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:12 AM

View PostChewiesArmy, on 04 April 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

I just have a hard time disregarding so many eyewitness accounts, especially from rangers and hunters. I have run into black bear in the woods, a few times, and I have never had a doubt about what I saw. A bear is a very unmistakable animal.

Ordinarily, I would agree with you. You sound like you can keep your wits about you and see with your rational eyes. What happens to a lot of people is they get pumped, adrenaline begins to flow and suddenly they've lost a little of their ability to see what's really there. I never will forget being out on a hike with a couple buddies and we had a very close encounter with a group of dogs who were chasing some Ferrel hogs. Needless to say it was an intense encounter and we all had to climb trees to get out of the danger zone. I will say it's incredible to watch a pack of dogs pounce on, kill and eat a medium size hog. Any way after it was over and we were able to climb down and head back to our camp we talked about what we'd seen. We'd seen basically the same thing, but our accounts varied wildly. Now if you'd had us all write down what we saw, you'd figure out that we'd seen pretty much the same encounter, but the Devil was in the details. Number of dogs, color of the hog, size, and the kill act.

A little fear, mix in some adrenaline, and you have the beginnings of a good story. I recall hearing an account of a friend of mine who'd gotten lost and encountered a bear. While remembering can completely true and accurate, accounts can chane with time.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:44 AM

As with most mythological creatures, bigfoot may very well be a real creature that exists.  There have been tons of eyewitness accounts of similar bigfoot-like animals all over the world.  However, there is very little evidence for such a creature.  I don't believe all the eyewitnesses are making it up, we just haven't found the solid proof needed to verify such a claim.  The big piece of evidence needed is an actual body or the remains of a bigfoot that science can say, yep, it's a real creature that has remained unfound until now.  Proof is the key here and until there is solid proof, it's just a good mythological story.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:03 AM

View Postconspiracy buff, on 05 April 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

As with most mythological creatures, bigfoot may very well be a real creature that exists.  There have been tons of eyewitness accounts of similar bigfoot-like animals all over the world.  However, there is very little evidence for such a creature.  I don't believe all the eyewitnesses are making it up, we just haven't found the solid proof needed to verify such a claim.  The big piece of evidence needed is an actual body or the remains of a bigfoot that science can say, yep, it's a real creature that has remained unfound until now.  Proof is the key here and until there is solid proof, it's just a good mythological story.

Give Rick a minute.

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P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:52 PM

View Postconspiracy buff, on 05 April 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

As with most mythological creatures, bigfoot may very well be a real creature that exists.

So "most mythological creatures" actually exist?

Wouldn't that disqualify them for being mythological?


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:56 PM

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:05 AM

View PostNight Walker, on 05 April 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

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Foots bake, toooo!?

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:08 AM

View PostEldorado, on 08 November 2012 - 04:38 AM, said:

Are there gay bigfoots that are better groomed and smell nicer than the usual stinky ones?.... is summat I've been wondering.  Bigfoot with a quiff, that sort of thing.

Apparently there are.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:30 AM

View Postkeninsc, on 05 April 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

Ordinarily, I would agree with you. You sound like you can keep your wits about you and see with your rational eyes. What happens to a lot of people is they get pumped, adrenaline begins to flow and suddenly they've lost a little of their ability to see what's really there. I never will forget being out on a hike with a couple buddies and we had a very close encounter with a group of dogs who were chasing some Ferrel hogs. Needless to say it was an intense encounter and we all had to climb trees to get out of the danger zone. I will say it's incredible to watch a pack of dogs pounce on, kill and eat a medium size hog. Any way after it was over and we were able to climb down and head back to our camp we talked about what we'd seen. We'd seen basically the same thing, but our accounts varied wildly. Now if you'd had us all write down what we saw, you'd figure out that we'd seen pretty much the same encounter, but the Devil was in the details. Number of dogs, color of the hog, size, and the kill act.

A little fear, mix in some adrenaline, and you have the beginnings of a good story. I recall hearing an account of a friend of mine who'd gotten lost and encountered a bear. While remembering can completely true and accurate, accounts can chane with time.

Very good point. I understand that eyewitness accounts, especially under stress are very unreliable, but not every hunter, ranger, or even police offcer were under these conditions. Some were under very relaxed conditions in very open areas, and in daylight. They could all be lying, but doubtful. Not to mention, I would assume that the mannerisms of a Bigfoot are very different than a bears. Bears are quite clumsy and slow when walking on two feet and many acoounts describe how the animal stayed on two feet and were quite fast. Also, you all might have differed on color, number of dogs, and the size of the pig, but none of you wrote that an elephant was attacked by a pack of lions. You all recgonized the animals...just not the fine details.

I am skeptical about bigfoot, especially when somebody claims to have seen one outside of the plausible area, like outside the upper NW. But, I just think about all of the sightings, and how not everybody is looking for fame, and not every sighting was simply mistaken identity. Not to mention that there have supposedly been hair samples that have been tested for DNA with nothing matching.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:15 AM

Both my friends who told me of their encounters with a Bigfoot, were both very calm about the actual encounter, at least in their cases fear, or possibly down right terror didn't settle in on them until after the fact, causing them both to give up hunting, hiking and trapping. In a way I can see it but also in a way I just don't get it. I do get fear very well, I can tell you some war stories that would curl your hair and I also understand about delayed reactions to a fearful situation. However, they just saw a creature, granted a rather elusive creature, but they weren't attacked by it, threatened by it, or even hit on by the gay Bigfoot, all they did was see it. I never was able to talk to either one of them in depth about the experience. I have often wondered why they were so effected by just seeing such a thing.

However, after having seen the way they reacted to their sighting, it's given me pause to wonder if this isn't the basis of the myth about Bigfoots having telepathy or super natural powers as in some of the legends of the NA peoples.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:39 AM

View PostChewiesArmy, on 06 April 2013 - 03:30 AM, said:

Very good point. I understand that eyewitness accounts, especially under stress are very unreliable, but not every hunter, ranger, or even police offcer were under these conditions. Some were under very relaxed conditions in very open areas, and in daylight. They could all be lying, but doubtful. -  Not really.  If it were real, we may have 20X the sightings.   Not to mention, I would assume that the mannerisms of a Bigfoot are very different than a bears. Bears are quite clumsy and slow when walking on two feet and many acoounts describe how the animal stayed on two feet and were quite fast. Also, you all might have differed on color, number of dogs, and the size of the pig, but none of you wrote that an elephant was attacked by a pack of lions. You all recgonized the animals...just not the fine details.

I am skeptical about bigfoot, especially when somebody claims to have seen one outside of the plausible area, like outside the upper NW. - There are more sightings outside the upper NW than in the upper NW.  Also all through the world.But, I just think about all of the sightings, and how not everybody is looking for fame, and not every sighting was simply mistaken identity. Not to mention that there have supposedly been hair samples that have been tested for DNA with nothing matching. - You are confused.   That is the common Bigfoot enthusiast excuse.  In reality, it is that they could not identify the hair sample.



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Posted 06 April 2013 - 06:43 AM

View Postscowl, on 05 April 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

So "most mythological creatures" actually exist?

Wouldn't that disqualify them for being mythological?

No, I didn't say that.  What I did say is like most mythological creatures of lore and legend, there is a POSSIBILITY of their actual existence.  Please, if you are going to quote me, take the time to fully digest what it is that I actually said and not what you thought I did.  Go back and read my original post.  I never said all mythological creatures are real.  In fact, I said the opposite.  While there is a possibility for these creatures to be real, the burden is finding proof of them.  Which so far, has not been provided.  Hence, they are still classified as myths and legends until there is direct evidence for their existence.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:41 PM

View PostNight Walker, on 05 April 2013 - 05:15 AM, said:

Fascinating...
Not even half as fascinating as his encounter....  there are several aspects of it I'm intrigued with.

Edited by Stardrive, 07 April 2013 - 04:42 PM.

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