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[Seeker79]

If you had fallen off a cliff and were hanging on for dear life, and I was standing on top of the cliff in a position to help.

I could stick my hand out and say, "take my hand and I will save you." or I could just reach down and grabb you and pull you up away from certain death.

What would you think of my if I just held my handout?

Isn't this what the Christian god does?

If I saw you go over a cliff, I would grab you. If I were god I would grab you before letting your soul die or go to hell or whatever  regardless of your feelings towards me.

Dosnt that make me more benevolent than the standard Christian god?

Edited by Seeker79, 08 November 2012 - 07:47 PM.

[Twin Personalities]

well some ppl go in a certain level of depression if someone says something but doesn't do it, I probably would think: ok if he isn't going to take action then I will leave my self to the faith and see what happens.

[wolfknight]

I hope you would take my hand and help me. As i would you . I have come to the point in my life that if you like me that is good if you don't like me that is good too.

[Jinxdom]

Seeker79, on 08 November 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

If I saw you go over a cliff, I would grab you. If I were god I would grab you before letting your soul die or go to hell or whatever  regardless of your feelings towards me.

And this is what people need to be more like. I already know I'd do the exact same. Sometimes I think my self-preservation instinct shuts down when situations like this occur but meh.

Here's the thing would you think about it first or not?

[Seeker79]

Jinxdom, on 08 November 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

And this is what people need to be more like. I already know I'd do the exact same. Sometimes I think my self-preservation instinct shuts down when situations like this occur but meh.

Here's the thing would you think about it first or not?

I don't think so, I have been in a few situations similar to that before, but I must admit I act differently now that I have three kids. Where as I might risk certain death before for another when I was young, now It would take a lot more for me to sacrifice my kids' father. I still react just more cautious. My role as a father is more important than my compassion for others.... Is that selfish?

[Seeker79]

wolfknight, on 08 November 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

I hope you would take my hand and help me. As i would you . I have come to the point in my life that if you like me that is good if you don't like me that is good too.

Exactly......

[Hilander]

I would try to save someone.  I couldn't watch someone die like that knowing there would of been something that I could of done.  I don't think I would get myself killed doing it though.

[Serpentine]

You've missed an option out.

[braveone2u]

Seeker79, on 08 November 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

If you had fallen off a cliff and were hanging on for dear life, and I was standing on top of the cliff in a position to help.

I could stick my hand out and say, "take my hand and I will save you." or I could just reach down and grabb you and pull you up away from certain death.

What would you think of my if I just held my handout?

Isn't this what the Christian god does?

If I saw you go over a cliff, I would grab you. If I were god I would grab you before letting your soul die or go to hell or whatever  regardless of your feelings towards me.

Dosnt that make me more benevolent than the standard Christian god?

If I saw you over a cliff, I wouldn't grab you because I know my strength and a human body (dead weight) is that heavy (I know this because when my friend took his last breath, I grabbed him and he fell on top of me while I massively bumped my head on the brick ledge); however, if another person were around, I would definitely ask him or her to help me pull you up.

Benevolent or not, I don't see it in that context. First of all, my God(?) is not in this world. Second, reality is in-yer-face than the romantic notion of being a hero. Logic and self-preservation have nothing to with getting heavenly merit. I don't believe in brownie points. Reality is knowing the best action for a particular situation in that specific moment.

If you, for example, had died because of my lack of help (in this type of situation), I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Believe you me because again, I've already proven this to myself.

[s33ker]

I HOPE I would just react and pull you to safety with no thought of  anything to delay me.
I couldn't stand the thought of "why didn't I do something" for the rest of my life.

[Darkwind]

I would do whatever I could save you.  More likely we would end up both falling off the cliff, but I got to try.  I not a Christian and it kind of annoys me when people assume when I do something nice for someone that I must be a Christian. I don't say anything most of the time. Somethings you just have to let go.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

I think a better metaphor is that famous "you can lead a horse towater but you csn't make it drink" one.
Jesus leads the way, God is the water and we choose whether or not to drink.

[JGirl]

interesting
it does seem like grabbing someone up would be more kind, but what if you caused more harm than good by rushing into a situation without assessing it first?  when push comes to shove (pardon the almost-pun) help is help.

[Beany]

I'd grab YOU, probably, but my ex,, maybe not. I might stomp on his hand, though, and say "oops!"

[braveone2u]

Darkwind, on 09 November 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

More likely we would end up both falling off the cliff, but I got to try.  I not a Christian and it kind of annoys me when people assume when I do something nice for someone that I must be a Christian.

Hi Darkwind,

If you knew your strength limitation, wouldn't that be a form of suicide on your part...?

Peace.