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#181    shaddow134

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:56 AM

View PostProfessor T, on 21 November 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Lol, sorry, had to laugh & share this..

Sorry Israel supporters, but the Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and YouTube accounts of Israeli Deputy Premier Silvan Shalom have been hacked and filled with pro-Palestine status updates. ZCompanyHackingCrew claimed responsibility for this latest act of cyber war against Israel. This is part of the Anonymous attacks.. You'll have to check out the status updates in the link, some of the language is a bit too fresh. This is pretty embarracing for such a high ranking official..

http://rt.com/news/a...e-minister-200/
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:57 AM

View Postshanlung, on 21 November 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

It is time for the rest of the world to allow Hamas to be armed properly, to the same extent as Israel.
Instead of disarming Hamas and tied their hands to be guinea pigs for the bombs and phosphorus shells of Israel.

Let them fight on even ground.  And we will see Israel BEGGING for peace.

While I admire the sentiment to create balance, adding more weapons into the region is just asking for trouble..

If anything, all weapons should be removed..


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:12 AM

View PostProfessor T, on 21 November 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

While I admire the sentiment to create balance, adding more weapons into the region is just asking for trouble..

If anything, all weapons should be removed..

I agree.

Remove from Israel  the tanks, helicopter gunships, the cluster bombs, the terrifying sophisticated deadly accurate guided rockets, the artillery.

Remove from Hamas  the AK47s and RPGs and the crude homemade rockets.

Let it be an even match.  Fight with fists and sticks and stones

Not let the Israelis fight like the cowards that they are with odds heavily stacked on their side, defending the land they stole from people living in there for generations.  While we refused equivalent firepower to those trying to get back what was stolen from them.

With such uneven odds, no Israelis will ever want true peace when they can bomb and shell the innocents to keep what they had stolen.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:46 AM



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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:42 AM

View Postacidhead, on 21 November 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:



Good artical!
it kind of demonstrates what goes around comes around.. opression breeds resistence..


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:06 AM

View PostProfessor T, on 21 November 2012 - 07:42 AM, said:

Good artical!
it kind of demonstrates what goes around comes around.. opression breeds resistence..
And the Israeli side will tell you that all they want is to live on the land in peace.  So "oppression" is a loaded term in that place.  The lunacy that IS this conflict is that the world is actually helpless to stop it and must bring pressure on the only rational party to the conflict -  Israel - because the Palestinian side will not, CANNOT, make peace.  For them to make peace renders the PA and Hamas  impotent.  On the other side, any pol who actually brought peace to Israel without giving up Jerusalem would be hailed a hero by 80% or more of the population.  This conflict will probably fade again, probably, but it cannot be solved until one side or the other actually wins through to dominance.  I know this sounds harsh - maybe even like warmongering, but it's just the truth of the personalities on the ground.  I've watched it unfold with my own eyes for about 40 years now and the pattern is unmistakeable. If a ground invasion begins then Egypt might intercede on Hamas' behalf.  From there it would probably very quickly become an all out brutal, fight 'til the last dog dies conflict.  Hussein of Jordan is beginning to really struggle with elements of the Muslim Brotherhood so he might have to jump in to save his monarchy.  It's amazing how much things have stayed the same politically since the '67 war.  From my reading of Israel's military capabilities I sense that the only thing that stops them from casting absolute ruin on their enemies is the desire for a future chance of peace.  That and the awful cost in lives of their own sons and daughters.  Ironically, if Israel is pushed or stumbles into a broader war then it will actually free them to be much more...err..efficient in their use of their power - much less restrained.  The world would howl in anger but the world is always howling in anger at them so no news there.  Danger ahead whether a ceasefire holds or not.

Edited by and then, 21 November 2012 - 09:08 AM.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:41 AM

terrorist attack on bus which was a bomb, 10 people injured and 3 dead in Tel Aviv. lots of people celebrating in Gaza City.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:17 AM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 21 November 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

terrorist attack on bus which was a bomb, 10 people injured and 3 dead in Tel Aviv. lots of people celebrating in Gaza City.

The same way that lots of people celebrate in Tel Aviv every time a bomb land on schools in Gaza.
The people in Tel Aviv cheered and clapped with each phosphorus shell exploding on the people they stole their land from.

Do you cheer and rejoice with those people in Tel Aviv?
You all have plenty to cheer about.

Excuse me if I do not care to join in.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:40 AM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 21 November 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

terrorist attack on bus which was a bomb, 10 people injured and 3 dead in Tel Aviv. lots of people celebrating in Gaza City.
I checked 3 different sources - you are mistaken about the deaths I think:
http://www.israelnat...#.UKy9Mo5WSRk   But 21 are in hospital, some critical.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:59 AM

In an attempt to persuade the world that Israel is committing war crimes and to distract attention away from the illegal and immoral use of their own population as human shields, Hamas has resorted to staging a number of fake deaths and scenes of severely injured people right in front of international TV crews.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2CrEZYIax


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:04 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 21 November 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

In an attempt to persuade the world that Israel is committing war crimes and to distract attention away from the illegal and immoral use of their own population as human shields, Hamas has resorted to staging a number of fake deaths and scenes of severely injured people right in front of international TV crews.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2CrEZYIax
Is Fox stupid? people are dying does not matter which side


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:57 PM

View Postand then, on 21 November 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

I checked 3 different sources - you are mistaken about the deaths I think:
http://www.israelnat...#.UKy9Mo5WSRk   But 21 are in hospital, some critical.
Hmm must have gone up. Anyway "A Lebanese TV channel affiliated with Hezbollah says the "Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed the attack" on a bus in Tel Aviv. The report, broadcast on Al-Manar TV at 1250 GMT, did not elaborate."

If this is true then Israel may have to scrap the ceasfire plans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-20422755


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:11 PM

View Postshanlung, on 21 November 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

The same way that lots of people celebrate in Tel Aviv every time a bomb land on schools in Gaza.
The people in Tel Aviv cheered and clapped with each phosphorus shell exploding on the people they stole their land from.

Do you cheer and rejoice with those people in Tel Aviv?
You all have plenty to cheer about.

Excuse me if I do not care to join in.

While, after all of the civilian deaths in Gaza from this latest conflict, I can understand why a people as desperate as the people of Gaza would resort to such tactics, there can be no justification for blowing up a bomb in a civilian population centre. No one at all can morally sit back and say they are OK with this sort of tactic, regardless of whether or not they consider it to be a retaliation.

Rockets that are rarely responsible for any deaths are one thing, bombings like the aforementioned one are another.

Now I hold no reservations in stating that both sides in this current conflict are acting disgustingly.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:29 PM

View PostTheLastLazyGun, on 20 November 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

Israel can't give the land back to the "Palestinians" because these people have NEVER had a country of their own.  "Palestine" is a geographical entity not a political one.

Israel occupies what used to be British land - the British Mandate of Palestine, which was created by the British in 1920.  In turn, the British Mandate of Palestine once belonged to Ottoman Syria but it became British after the British Empire defeated the Ottoman Empire in the Great War.

Israel isn't the only country that was formed out of the British Mandate for Palestine in 1948.  Jordan was, too.

Also, Israel isn't the only country which was formed out of Ottoman Syria.  So, too, were Gaza, the Palestinian Authority, Jordan, Lebanon, parts of Turkey and Iraq, and modern Syria.

So if the Israelis have to give back their land it won't be to the mythical "Palestinians".  It would be given back to the British, as it was British land before Israel was established.  And if the Israelis give their land back to the British - which I don't want Israel to do because I like the Israelis and their country and support its right to exist - then I would also demand the Jordanians give their land back to the British due to the undeniable fact that, like Israel, Jordan also occupies territory which was once the British Mandate for Palestine.

Your knowledge of this subject is weak or simply biased. The land was always to be given to the Palestinians with a 'national home' to be provided for emigrating Jews. Read the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine, the White Papers, the Royal Commission... If you did you would see clearly that the land was to be given back to the indigenous population; the Palestinians.

Until you bother your **** to read them, don't bother replying to this post, for it would be redundant.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 21 November 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

While, after all of the civilian deaths in Gaza from this latest conflict, I can understand why a people as desperate as the people of Gaza would resort to such tactics, there can be no justification for blowing up a bomb in a civilian population centre. No one at all can morally sit back and say they are OK with this sort of tactic, regardless of whether or not they consider it to be a retaliation.

Rockets that are rarely responsible for any deaths are one thing, bombings like the aforementioned one are another.

Now I hold no reservations in stating that both sides in this current conflict are acting disgustingly.

The people in Gaza need to take a page out of the West Bank's book, ie ditch the terrorism for diplomacy. They'd get a lot more support and I believe in the end would reach their goals quicker. Then Israel would have no excuse for their heavy handed tactics.

And yeah both sides are a bunch of tools.

Edited by Corp, 21 November 2012 - 04:49 PM.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse...A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.




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