Jump to content




Welcome to Unexplained Mysteries! Please sign in or create an account to start posting and to access a host of extra features.


- - - - -

SETI receives $3.5M funding boost


  • Please log in to reply
88 replies to this topic

#31    The Silver Thong

The Silver Thong

    Forum Divinity

  • Member
  • 30,165 posts
  • Joined:02 Dec 2004
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Calgary Alberta Canada

Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:31 PM

View Postzoser, on 16 November 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

If science is ever to be our liberator and be the Godsend it was promised to be it would have happened long before now.  For every solution it provides it  creates another ten types of disaster.  A little adding up would have told you as much.  

Science promised to be mankind's ultimate great saviour 50 years ago.  In 2012 there is more stress, fatal diseases, poverty, labour (mental and physical) than there has ever been.  Time to look in different directions methinks.

So who is ignorant and living in a fantasy world really?


Probably because science can identify and see the cause much better now.   So what do you think we should do, ignore science and pray more.

Sittin back drinkin beer watchin the world take it's course.


The only thing god can't do is prove he exists ?

#32    Imaginarynumber1

Imaginarynumber1

    I am not an irrational number

  • Member
  • 4,457 posts
  • Joined:22 Mar 2010
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ohio

Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:10 PM

View Postzoser, on 16 November 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

If science is ever to be our liberator and be the Godsend it was promised to be it would have happened long before now.  For every solution it provides it  creates another ten types of disaster.  A little adding up would have told you as much.  

Science promised to be mankind's ultimate great saviour 50 years ago.  In 2012 there is more stress, fatal diseases, poverty, labour (mental and physical) than there has ever been.  Time to look in different directions methinks.

So who is ignorant and living in a fantasy world really?

Oh darn. The world isn't perfect. Let's just get rid of science!

"A cat has nine lives. For three he plays, for three he strays, and for the last three he stays."


July 17th, 2008 (Full moon the next night)

RAPTORS! http://www.unexplain...pic=233151&st=0


#33    JesseCuster

JesseCuster

    Secret Jesus

  • Member
  • 2,992 posts
  • Joined:11 Jun 2011
  • Gender:Not Selected

Posted 17 November 2012 - 12:24 AM

View Postzoser, on 16 November 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

If science is ever to be our liberator and be the Godsend it was promised to be it would have happened long before now.
No-one (at least in this thread) claimed science was a liberator or Godsend therefore any conclusions you might draw from that are pure strawmen.

Quote

Science promised to be mankind's ultimate great saviour 50 years ago.
Are you claiming that  in 1962 that there was a general consensus amongst practising scientists that within 50 years science would be mankind's "ultimate saviour" or are you making this **** up?  I'd like to see some cites and references for your claims that in 1962, science was claimed to be "mankind's ultimate great saviour".  I'm pretty sure you're either making this up or are exagerrating a banal claim that had no scientific concensus.  Facts please.

Quote

In 2012 there is more stress, fatal diseases, poverty, labour (mental and physical) than there has ever been.  Time to look in different directions methinks.
Between 1962 and 2012, the life expectancy of an average person in the USA has gone from mid-60s to 80 years plus.

Polio has been irradicated.  Smallpox has since been officially declared extinct in the wild.  Life-expectancy across the globe has shot upwards, even in the worst places like war-torn Africa. In my own country, TB is no longer a scourge that threatens the life of people. Etc etc.

Mankind has never had it so good.  Just about every metric that measures the quality of life for the human species says that in 2012, you are better being born than in any point in the past.

Quote

So who is ignorant and living in a fantasy world really?
It is quite clear that you are living in a fantasy world as none of your claims have come from real world sources.

Where are your facts?

Edited by Archimedes, 17 November 2012 - 12:25 AM.

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman

#34    bison

bison

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,198 posts
  • Joined:13 Apr 2011

Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:36 PM

All credit to Mr. Franklin Antonio for having the vision and generosity to make this donation to the SETI Institute, and to Dr. Jill Tarter who retired from her scientific work at the Allen telescope Array to engage in fundraising for the project, and is obviously very good at this new position!


#35    booNyzarC

booNyzarC

    Forum Divinity

  • Closed
  • 13,536 posts
  • Joined:18 Aug 2010
  • Gender:Not Selected

Posted 18 November 2012 - 05:32 AM

View Postzoser, on 16 November 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

If science is ever to be our liberator and be the Godsend it was promised to be it would have happened long before now.  For every solution it provides it  creates another ten types of disaster.  A little adding up would have told you as much.  

Science promised to be mankind's ultimate great saviour 50 years ago.  In 2012 there is more stress, fatal diseases, poverty, labour (mental and physical) than there has ever been.  Time to look in different directions methinks.

So who is ignorant and living in a fantasy world really?

I'm going to be a bit less tactful than the others.  I'd like to offer my apologies up front.  I truly don't feel good saying some of this.  I'd much rather that you had provided no opening like this, but being that you've created it...  here goes...

You're a bloody moron if you don't appreciate the advances given to us by science.  And no, I'm not saying that you are a moron zoser.  I'm just saying that it would be moronic to actually believe what you've been conveying; and I sincerely hope that you don't actually mean what you're saying.

You owe science for almost everything that you appreciate, enjoy, and hold dear.  You owe science for your camera and the ability to analyze its blurry photos of insects with your computer.  You owe science for your television and the radio you listen to while driving in your scientifically enhanced car.  You owe science for your cell phone, assuming that you have one.  You owe science for the over-the-counter medications that treat you and the dearly loved members of your family whenever mild illness strikes.  You owe science for the equipment waiting in the emergency room to help diagnose, administer, and heal you if disaster were to impact your gullible existence.  You owe science for the worldwide communication made feasible by the internet, which you take for granted out of spiteful ignorance while you spew your uneducated opinions upon the world.  You owe science for putting both equipment and human beings in space so that they could shoot footage with scientifically engineered gadgets and provide you with the opportunity to mistakenly derive all kinds of enticing woo-woo.  You owe science for all of this and much much more.

Freezers, clean energy sources like solar, wind, and hydro, electronics, key-less entry, microwave ovens, refrigerators, air conditioners, light bulbs, medical imaging equipment, long and short range communications, satellites, computers, power tools, vehicles, cleaners, sanitation products, plastics, recycling, etc, etc, etc...  All thanks to advances within various scientific fields.

Imagine for a moment that you were dropped into a capsule and sent back to the middle ages.  The desperate and highly superstitious masses might fall for your tantalizing testimony, but you'd undoubtedly discover a deep appreciation for the benefits of science once you were bereft of them.  Hell, the first time you had to take a trip to the loo and discovered that there was no toilet paper you'd probably be wishing to be back in the here and now.

Stress, fatal disease, poverty, extreme labor, and anything else that you have latched onto as banal isn't the fault of science, it is the fault of society.  Science has nothing to do with any of it aside from the fact that the fruits of science make virtually everything easier and more efficient; good and bad.

If you say that the world is very messed up, I'm right there with you.  But if you want to place the blame for that on science I'm not only going to tell you that you're wrong, I'll probably scoff at you along the way for being so ridiculously moronic.


#36    araxia

araxia

    Apparition

  • Banned
  • PipPip
  • 313 posts
  • Joined:24 Oct 2012
  • Gender:Not Selected

Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:59 AM

I do not understand,
the world power can EASILY CREATE A LIE OF "first contact",
why do they seek donations?
to make it look more realistic?
They seem desperate to make people believe,
but the lie can't come without the funding to back it up...
it is ironic really...
money=world power...

WHAT TYPE of aliens are they seeking to contact?
those who do not care about money?
or those like them who do? lol :nw:


#37    Rlyeh

Rlyeh

    Omnipotent Entity

  • Member
  • 9,016 posts
  • Joined:01 Jan 2011
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The sixth circle

  • Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett

Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:06 AM

View Postaraxia, on 22 November 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

I do not understand,
the world power can EASILY CREATE A LIE OF "first contact",
why do they seek donations?
to make it look more realistic?
They seem desperate to make people believe,
but the lie can't come without the funding to back it up...
it is ironic really...
money=world power...
Only one word comes to mind, kook.


#38    Valdemar the Great

Valdemar the Great

    a paid-up member of the “tin foil hat brigade”

  • Member
  • 24,419 posts
  • Joined:09 May 2005
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Sea of Okhotsk

  • Vampires are people too.

Posted 22 November 2012 - 04:12 PM

View Postzoser, on 15 November 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

The equivalent of throwing money on a bonfire. Pathetic waste of time and resources.
is this because we know already that we are being visited by Extraterrestrials?

Life is a hideous business, and from the background behind what we know of it peer daemoniacal hints of truth which make it sometimes a thousandfold more hideous.

H. P. Lovecraft.


Posted Image


#39    Valdemar the Great

Valdemar the Great

    a paid-up member of the “tin foil hat brigade”

  • Member
  • 24,419 posts
  • Joined:09 May 2005
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Sea of Okhotsk

  • Vampires are people too.

Posted 22 November 2012 - 04:12 PM

View Postzoser, on 15 November 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

The equivalent of throwing money on a bonfire. Pathetic waste of time and resources.
is this because we know already that we are being visited by Extraterrestrials?

Life is a hideous business, and from the background behind what we know of it peer daemoniacal hints of truth which make it sometimes a thousandfold more hideous.

H. P. Lovecraft.


Posted Image


#40    Valdemar the Great

Valdemar the Great

    a paid-up member of the “tin foil hat brigade”

  • Member
  • 24,419 posts
  • Joined:09 May 2005
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Sea of Okhotsk

  • Vampires are people too.

Posted 22 November 2012 - 04:16 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 15 November 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

There's no other reason than they're not going to find aliens using radio signals.
I think that's a fair argument. Certainly the likelihood of ETs using this old fashioned method of communications, and of our being able to detect anything from this distance, is certainly slim.
However, since SETI isn't Government funded, I don't see what harm it;s doing.

Life is a hideous business, and from the background behind what we know of it peer daemoniacal hints of truth which make it sometimes a thousandfold more hideous.

H. P. Lovecraft.


Posted Image


#41    ReaperS_ParadoX

ReaperS_ParadoX

    “What’s wrong with accepting madness?

  • Member
  • 2,521 posts
  • Joined:29 Jun 2012
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:A really cold region devoid of stars

  • The boundaries which divide Life from Death are at best shadowy and vague. Who shall say where the one ends, and where the other begins?

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:33 PM

Did they ever say what the WOW signal was definativly?

Edited by R4z3rsPar4d0x, 22 November 2012 - 08:34 PM.

COME WITH ME. OVERWHELMING POWER AND MADNESS AWAIT

THAT IS NOT DEAD WHICH CAN ETERNAL LIE AND WITH STRANGE AEONS EVEN DEATH MAY DIE

#42    badeskov

badeskov

    Forum Divinity

  • Member
  • 11,224 posts
  • Joined:27 Aug 2006
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:California

  • Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please - Mark Twain

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:37 PM

View Post747400, on 22 November 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

I think that's a fair argument. Certainly the likelihood of ETs using this old fashioned method of communications, and of our being able to detect anything from this distance, is certainly slim.
However, since SETI isn't Government funded, I don't see what harm it;s doing.

It indeed is slim, but it is really the most feasible option we have. The other option is looking for ET sending us signals by light, but I would think our chance of detecting that is even slimmer.

Cheers,
Badeskov

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention to arrive safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow!! What a ride!". Said to to Dean Karnazes by a running buddy.

#43    DONTEATUS

DONTEATUS

    Forum Divinity

  • Member
  • 17,393 posts
  • Joined:15 Feb 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Planet TEXAS

Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:41 AM

So BAdeskov`s What about standing in a really Dark Field at night whit our Top Secret Craftsman Flash lights,and Tin cans and string Idea ?
You said it would work to Get E.T to Land ! :alien: :tsu:

This is a Work in Progress!

#44    ReaperS_ParadoX

ReaperS_ParadoX

    “What’s wrong with accepting madness?

  • Member
  • 2,521 posts
  • Joined:29 Jun 2012
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:A really cold region devoid of stars

  • The boundaries which divide Life from Death are at best shadowy and vague. Who shall say where the one ends, and where the other begins?

Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:14 PM

I guess Ill just google the question I posed earlier :tu:

COME WITH ME. OVERWHELMING POWER AND MADNESS AWAIT

THAT IS NOT DEAD WHICH CAN ETERNAL LIE AND WITH STRANGE AEONS EVEN DEATH MAY DIE

#45    Sir Wearer of Hats

Sir Wearer of Hats

    SCIENCE!

  • Member
  • 10,272 posts
  • Joined:08 Nov 2008
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Queensland, Australia.

Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:39 PM

View Postzoser, on 16 November 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

If science is ever to be our liberator and be the Godsend it was promised to be it would have happened long before now.  For every solution it provides it  creates another ten types of disaster.  A little adding up would have told you as much.  

Science promised to be mankind's ultimate great saviour 50 years ago.  In 2012 there is more stress, fatal diseases, poverty, labour (mental and physical) than there has ever been.  Time to look in different directions methinks.

So who is ignorant and living in a fantasy world really?
What do you suggest?

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users