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[docyabut2]

Abramelin, on 24 November 2012 - 06:57 AM, said:

Could you tell us where you got those names from, Docyabut2?



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From here:

http://www.alternate...88&postcount=38

Or from here:

http://www.rah.es/pd..._Literatura.pdf

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Abramelin I can`nt remember where, but these links look close.

[docyabut2]

zodd, on 25 November 2012 - 12:12 AM, said:

This seems to be the most legit and believable explanation of atlantis that I've come across.  Let me know what you guys think.

Just about everything in the of Atlantis tale  points to the islands of Crete and Thera, but one red hering. When the egyptain priest said- And the name of his younger twin-brother, who had for his portion the extremity of the island near the pillars of Herakles up to the part of the country now called Gadeira after the name of that region, was Eumelos in Greek, but in the native tongue Gadeiros,--which fact may have given its title to the country.


Now the priest was speaking of now as being in the 6th century bc when the tale was told to Solon,  so if the pillers were at Rhodes, where was this country then called Gaderia in the Agean sea?


Was it Melos? and where was the pillars?


http://0.tqn.com/d/a...pherd-c-004.jpg

Edited by docyabut2, 25 November 2012 - 11:04 PM.

[the L]

The Puzzler, on 24 November 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

I actually think the snake waving (of the Cretan priestesses) was a possible summoning the snake spirits, people don't wave things in the air in rituals like this for nothing, they were a kind of receptor of the actual spirit. The cult of Athena I think is connected to this ritual. The same as Hermes staff, with snakes on it too - snake spirit receptors. Snakes are everywhere in Athens, especially in myth.

Its possible.


I like you Puzzler because you are not affraid to think. You are aware that you will not get brain tumor from thinking. Many people todays think that their head will explode if they see things from different angles.
Sanotrini or Thera eruption was around 1525-1500 BC. But it wasnt destroyed Minoans. They civilization flourished from 2700 BC and continued after 1500. Minoans were bronze age civilization, small comparing to existing in that time such as Egypt,Mesoptamia and Hittites. They were like third world compared to those. And who knows how many things is lost. When Evans start to dig he must first buy land then he dig with damaging speed. Because Crete was under Ottomans around 1900. We dont know how many population was there on Crete. There only destroyed Akrotiri. Bronze age civilization on Crete was possibly destroyed when Hittites vanished. Maybe after battle of Kadesh Hittites were weaken so when strong Assyrians came and defeated them at battle in north Mesopotamia when Hittites were under Tudhaliya IV, son of Hatussili. 1237 to 1209 was decline of Hittites. After him only four rulers ruled Hittites. But I will come backlater to Hittites. What I want to say is that Minoans were multi ethnic civilization. They traded with Egypt and with Hittites. Gods know from where topless priestes with snakes came from, or bull skipping sport. From Crete to Africa is nothing. So did they came from Lybia? Who knows what Linear A is hiding from us? From where it cames those cryptogram script with 80 signs?

To continue.

@all

Who doesnt like Greeks? Who didnt hear about Delphi Oracle, Persian Wars, Alcibaldes, Alexander the Great, Lysander, Leonidas, Alexandria library. Which contained many precious books for example three volumes of history of the world written by Babylonian priest Berrosus which is now lost.First book was from creation of the world till great flood. Myths such as Centaurs, Cerberus three headed dog, Oedipus complex, Medusa, Theseus and Minotaur and Labirinth, Body of an Adonis,12  Herculean tasks, Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, Jason and the Argonauts, Odysseus, beautiful Aphrodite. Orgies in secret cults such as Cults of Cybele, Dionysian Mysteries, Eleusinian Mysteries.(btw as Carl Sagan proposed looks like orgies, earthcentric views, slavery, myths and demigods, comedies and tragedies prevailed instead smart Ionians. ) Person who didnt do politic was consider to be idiot. Thats origin of that word. So they all participate in politics.Anyway in Greece all start with Homer. But how come that Greece have had all smart,clever,thinkers,inventors,philosophers,tacticians like: Democritus, Aristarchus, Anaxagoras, Empedocles, Philo of Byzantium, Ctesibius, Hero of Alexandria, Pindar, Plato, Thales, Anaximander, Theodorus, Leucippus, Zeno of Elea, Parmenides, Demosthenes, Xenophanes, Thucydides, Heraclitus of Ephesus, Hesiod, Archimedes, Pythagoras, Euclid, Ptolemy, Themistocles, Socrates, Plutarch, Pericles, Alcibaldes, Aristotle, Euripides, Alexander, Menander, Lysander, Aristophanes, Sophocles, Herodotus, Hippocrates, Eratosthenes, Leonidas, Aeschylus. To name a few.
We can trace origin of intellect of Aristotele. Socrates-Plato-Aristotele-Alexander or Socrates-Alcibaldes. Anaximander-Pythagoras. But who teached Thales? Or Socrates? We see that when Greeks came in touch with Egypt they flourished. Islam also flourished after tooking antique writtings from Egypt. So did Greeks came for knowledge in Africa or Africa came to them? Todays Historians almost agrees that Leucippus (teacher of Democritus) isnt founder of atomism. That atomism came from Phoenican Mochus of Sidon. Hero of Alexandria aeolipile or steam engine isnt Heros engine. Vitruvius mentioned that engine before Hero. So we see that source of knowledge is somewhere hidden. We just like to link inventions. Steam engine-Heron, Atomism-Leucippus, Hippocrates-Medicine (Like there wasnt medicine in Egypt).What about their special abilities or secret knowledge that we are not able to do even in today so called modern futuristic era? Anaximander of Miletus could predict Earthquakes. His pupil Pythagoras was also been able to do it.  I could realy spent hours and hours writting achivements of Greeks. Even just I mentioned above and none more. Then we know that Greeks have had pyramids. Who created them? We know famous Pyramid of Hellinikon. Pausanias wrote it was a tomb. But he also wrote that two more pyramids in Greece exist one 20 miles southwest of Hellenikon which are both lost. It isnt big as Khufus pyramid but Thermoluminescence dating of stones on greek pyramid dates pyramid 2710 BC. Older then Khufu for 150 years.

Edited by the L, 26 November 2012 - 12:54 PM.

[the L]

@Parsec


Troy aside.
Alexis Papdopoulos diving in 1979 discover city under the sea. Untill Dora Katsonopoulou and Steven Soter rediscovered the city in 2001 we thought that Greek city Helike was myth. In fact Helike was real city in Achaea , which was destroyed by earthquake and tsunami which submerged city in 373 BC.  Some connect Helike with Atlantis due fact that Plato lived when tsunami hit the city. In adding we found coins with Poseidon. Homer wrote that they sent one ship against Trojans while Crete sent 90 ships for comparation. So thats defently wasnt mighty Atlantis but it can tell us that we cant refuted ancient scripts. Abscene of evidence isnt evidence of abscene. Helike ruins were visited by Ovid, Strabo, Pausanias and interestingly by Diodorus of Sicilus.

[the L]

Now I will upload some pictures to add them to my previous posts.

1.Knossos art
2.Lybians as Egyptians seen them (Plus ancients told us that Lybians have had lighter skin others Africans)

[the L]

Possible usage of so called Heron steam engine decribed by Vitruvius.

[the L]

Amazons?

[the L]

As I already wrote we know that Crete was multi ethnic society.

Now Im not racist but I just cant ignore different color of skin presented in these art. Was bull rider a slave while white are just cheers?


Were Amazons white priests while others just their sex slaves? Did they took them from Africa?

[the L]

Obviously Greeks were not racists othervise we would know who was black and who wasnt.

[the L]

Mabye Aristotele have had Afro roots as this Islam art suggests.

[the L]

Now look this Minoans frescos.

1. From Akrotiri.
2. From Knossos

[the L]

Also maybe in picture where "African" jumps over bull other two white figures are females. And maybe in post 86 1st is female other is male. Maybe priestes were different etnhic then males. Or maybe they are same people just they didnt go on sun.

[the L]

Just add some water in pot paddling isnt problem anymore.



Atleast they have had water around. And we know they have had fire. Viola.

Edited by the L, 26 November 2012 - 01:43 PM.

[docyabut2]

As much as I have defended Atlantis as the lost city of Tartessos, I have to admit it could have been Thera and Crete. Thera expoled between 17th to 15th century bc , just at the time the kings Cecrops ect, of the war in the tale of atlantis of Athens were said have existed.


And this is reason why the names of the ancients have been preserved to us and not their actions. This I infer because Solon said that the priests in their narrative of that war mentioned most of the names which are recorded prior to the time of Theseus, such as Cecrops, and Erechtheus, and Erichthonius, and Erysichthon.

King Cecrops ₁ of Athens. 1582

http://www.forumanci...Chronology.html

[docyabut2]

Also the Egyptian priest had said

Now the city( athens) in those days was arranged on this wise. In the first place the Acropolis was not as now. For the fact is that a Deucalion 1529

http://www.forumanci...Chronology.html

Edited by docyabut2, 26 November 2012 - 02:21 PM.