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#61    DieChecker

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:56 AM

I wonder how many Union bosses there are being laid off and what their average salaries were?

Really, even if the top ten guys got 10 million total, and that was redistributed to the employees, that would not have saved the company. It was already going into a grave. All a union paycut was going to do was save peoples jobs for a short while. I guess now they will just get an earlier start on their 3 years of unemployment. Basically there was no way for the Union to win, and no way for the CEO/execs to loose.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:28 PM

Obama should step in and save the Twinkie industry!

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:24 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 21 November 2012 - 05:56 AM, said:

I wonder how many Union bosses there are being laid off and what their average salaries were?

Really, even if the top ten guys got 10 million total, and that was redistributed to the employees, that would not have saved the company. It was already going into a grave. All a union paycut was going to do was save peoples jobs for a short while. I guess now they will just get an earlier start on their 3 years of unemployment. Basically there was no way for the Union to win, and no way for the CEO/execs to loose.
Probably true, but like I said union bosses while not CEOs are likely set up pretty good in the event of being put out of work. I think one of the things that I think about as an employer is the idea that if my employees unionized, which by law I can't fire them for or at least for the consideration of doing so, here I am one day running shop as usual and this large powerful group of thugs and lawyers come and tells me from now on here is how you're going to operate your business and we are going to make you and and employees pay for the 'privilege'. Imediate reaction; Just who the hell do you think you are? This is my business. YOU didn't build that, somebody else made that happen! I did mofo! And now I have to charge my customers considereably more thanks to your interference.
Personally, I am pretty considerate concerning reasonable qualms from my employees. I'm not a sap, I won't give in just because, but I'm not the devil either. If it comes down to losing a good guy over a few bucks a week then I know what I have to do. On the other hand from my experience the ones who demand the most and think they're worth the most are ususally delusional and full of self entitlement and usually end up working for someone else by my choice, not theirs.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:51 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 21 November 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

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Plus all the money the unions make is paid for by the CEOs who could be using all those millions for employee benefits, salaries and expansion hence more job opportunities.

What are you talking about?  The Union dues are taken from the employees, not the CEO.  The CEO can't decide to use that money for other benefits.

The CEO doesn't fund the union at all, it's all from the employees.  They grouped together and decided they needed fair representation.  And Unions have very strict rules about what money is earmarked for.  Union dues do not go to political parties.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:55 PM

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What are you talking about?  The Union dues are taken from the employees, not the CEO.  The CEO can't decide to use that money for other benefits.

The CEO doesn't fund the union at all, it's all from the employees.  They grouped together and decided they needed fair representation.  And Unions have very strict rules about what money is earmarked for.  Union dues do not go to political parties.
Sorry, if you read this pre-edit. I got my union smashing threads confused but I'll just stick with the following...
And as for your last sentence.... ROTFingFLMAO!!! You kidding me?

Edited by -Mr_Fess-, 23 November 2012 - 07:58 PM.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 02:29 AM

That is why there is something called COPE at almost all unions.

Committee on Political Education.  That is seperate volunteer money that unionists can pay.  This money is specifically earmarked for Political Parties.

Union Dues CANNOT be used for Political Parties.  That's the law.  If you know otherwise, maybe you should report it to the proper authorities.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:29 AM

View Postsupervike, on 24 November 2012 - 02:29 AM, said:

That is why there is something called COPE at almost all unions.
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Committee on Political Education.  That is seperate volunteer money that unionists can pay.  This money is specifically earmarked for Political Parties.

Union Dues CANNOT be used for Political Parties.  That's the law.  If you know otherwise, maybe you should report it to the proper authorities.
Alright but it's not as if they don't try their hardest to push liberal politics on their employees. Is that not a way of taking advantage or at the least being trying to sell a little snake oil. I get the teamsters new letter magazine. I seen what their election coverage was like. It was the most hardcore msnbc type bias you could imagine. All it was was meant to be was drum up democrat support and donations to the cause.
Imagine this... Walmart sends out monthly news letter magazines to its million employees just trashing the democrat party and holding the GOP on a pedestal so high only a bird could be perched upon it all in an effort to sway the vote and garner lobbying money. Think about that for a minute and tell me that wouldn't be all the outrage on the MSM. Walmart would be slandered for all the usual liberal slanderings with extrememely sinister and evil connotations attached to the headlines. 'Oh these poor people are being told who to vote for. It's as if their jobs depend on it.' But unlike the corrupt unions Walmart leaves their employees to their own devices and don't tell them how to think.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:53 AM

I'm not pretending that Unions don't have very strong political ties to the Dems.

If you ask me, that is part of their image problem.  I wish it wasn't so prevelant, but that's the way it is now.  .  The ties are so strong because it's quite often the Democrats are the ones looking out for the working class.  They each get a mutual benefit, thus the relationship.

But, Unions are much more than simply political arms of the Democrats.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:27 AM

I'm wondering if all this is so Blatently Wrong... that the employees had such a good case, and the Corporate Bigwigs were so very in the wrong... I'm wondering why a Federal Court kept OKing all these actions. Reportedly the Court OKed the CEO raises, and the paycuts and everything else. Is there a Bad Judge behind all this? or is everything on the Up and Up?

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:59 AM

I don't understand how the court would 'ok' the pay raise, they'd have nothing to do with that.

From what I understand, a judge blocked the bankruptcy, asked both sides to agree to a mediator.  That failed, so now they are back on the liquidation tract.

But, shame on the BOTH sides for not trying to has this out through mediation.  Maybe something could be done, but it sounds like it's become a huge pissing match between the two sides.





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