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What Happened to SS Gen. Hans Kammler?


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#46    TheMacGuffin

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:18 AM

Yet this website says it can be used to make an atomic bomb, so maybe Kammler and his scientists were on to something after all.


Filtering contaminants out of thorium bred U-233 to make weapons grade fissile material is not rocket science. Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) created a process to do this. They kindly wrote about it in a history included in the ORNL Review publication (search the long page for the words “THOREX” or “Uranium-233″):


By 1954, the Laboratory’s chemical technologists had completed a pilot plant demonstrating the ability of the THOREX process to separate thorium, protactinium, and uranium-233 from fission products and from each other. This process could isolate uranium-233 for weapons development and also for use as fuel in the proposed thorium breeder reactors.


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:22 AM

Allegedly, Kammler was also trying to make some kind of bomb using red mercury, which some people think can be used to build a "dirty bomb".



The five main theories are:
  • That red mercury is a reference to cinnabar, a naturally-occurring mercuric sulphide. The red pigment derived from cinnabar is known as vermillion.
  • That it is a reference to the alpha crystalline form of mercury iodide, which changes to a yellow colour at very high temperatures.
  • That it is simply referring to any mercury compound originating from the former Soviet Union. The 'red' tag would simply be a legacy of the Cold War era.
  • That it is a ballotechnic mercury compound which just happens to be red in colour. Ballotechnics are substances which react very energetically when subjected to shock compression at high pressure. They include mercury antimony oxide which, according to some reports, is a cherry red semi-liquid produced in Russian nuclear reactors. This theory contends that it is so explosive that a fusion reaction - a nuclear explosion - can be triggered even without fissionable material such as uranium.
  • That it is a military codeword for a new nuclear material, probably manufactured in Russia.
    Interestingly Dr Helmenstine mentioned rumours of prices of up to $300,000 being charged on the black market for a kilogram of red mercury.

http://www.google.co...3JZsit6jc504XGA


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:24 AM

Sam Cohen, the physicist who invented the neutron bomb, sheds a little more light on the destructive power of red mercury. As quoted from a June 15, 1997 http://www.manuelswe...m/sam_cohen.htm  article by Christopher Ruddy of the Tribune-Review, it states:

'Most frightening for Cohen is the relative ease by which neutron bombs can be created with a substance called red mercury. Red mercury is a compound containing mercury that has undergone irradiation. When exploded, it creates tremendous heat and pressure - the same type needed to trigger a fusion device such as a mini-neutron bomb.

Before, an obstacle to creating a nuclear bomb was the need for plutonium, which when exploded could create a fusion reaction in hydrogen atoms. But red mercury has changed that. The cheap substance has been produced in Russia, Cohen said, and shipped on the black market throughout the world.

Cohen said that when UN inspectors went to Iraq to examine the Iraqi's nuclear weapons capabilities, the U.N. team found documents showing that they had purchased quantities of red mercury. The material means that a neutron bomb can be built "the size of a baseball" but able to kill everyone within several square blocks."   


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:31 AM

A lot of people can thank their lucky stars that Reinhard Heydrich was assasinated... in regard to the SS.


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 06:45 PM

He's probably dead just like all the others. Interesting topic, MacGuffin.


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 07:20 PM

View PostPrincess Serenity, on 02 December 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

He's probably dead just like all the others. Interesting topic, MacGuffin.

If they really were working on this "Bell" (Glocke) I wonder if it was some kind of bomb.  That would be in line with the rest of Kammler's projects like jets, missiles and other weapons.

Or maybe it was some kind of engine or nuclear reactor.  It seems like they will willing to try just about anything, and some of their inventions were very advanced.  At that time, Kammler's group had even invented the most advanced computer in the world that was years ahead of the machines anyone else had.


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:39 PM

Kammler reminds me of the chemist Dr. Pannwitz, described by Primo Levi in his book If This is a Man.  Pannwitz was tall, blond-haired and blue-eyed, in change of a division of the I.G. Farben company at Auschwitz.  As a young prisoner, Levi was brought into his office because he had studied chemistry and might be useful to the Germans.

He was never able to forget how Dr. Pannwitz looked at him:

"When he finished writing, he raised his eyes and looked at me…. That look was not one between two men; and if I had known how completely to explain the nature of that look, which came as if across the glass window of an aquarium between two beings who live in different worlds, I would also have explained the essence of the great insanity of the Third German Reich."

Pannwitz looked at him as if he was some kind of specimen in a lab that still might prove to be temporarily useful to the German war effort, and Levi then understood that no human communication of any kind was possible between them.

http://www.google.co...axhw3M5p5yAsqDA



Many years after the war, when Levi was working for a chemical in Italy, he happened to exchange some routine letters with a German company, whose representative as a Dr. L. Muller.

Something about the way Muller expressed himself in writing brought back certain memories, and then he recalled that this same Dr. Muller was also working for the IG Farben company at Auschwitz, and in fact was one of his bosses under Pannwitz.

So he wrote back to him and asked "What did you do during the war, Dr. Muller?"

Levi recalled that one day, Dr. Muller had given him a pair of shoes, which was quite an important gift in Auschwitz.  Then he had asked him "Why do you look so perturbed?"

Those were words that Levi could never forget, any more than Dr. Pannwitz's stare.  Why do you look so perturbed?

Muller denied knowing anything about the extermination and the gas chambers, and then started calling Levi and writing longer letters asking about what happened to this or that prisoner he had known in the camp, including some who had died in the forced march in 1945 when Auschwitz was evacuated.  He wanted them to meet, and Levi realized that what he really wanted was "absolution", but that was not something that he was willing or able to grant.

He decided that Muller was just a sort of "gray" personality, not particularly good or evil, who was not only lying to him but also lying to himself.


http://www.google.co...Xq0OZliIUAso-hA

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 02 December 2012 - 08:46 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:20 PM

Levi also recalled that one time, when he was newly-arrived at Auschwitz he was thirsty and grabbed an ice cycle that was hanging outside the barrack's window.

An SS guard saw this and knocked it out of his hand.

"Warum?", Levi aksed, "Why?"

"Hier ist kein warum", the SS man answered, "Here there is no why."

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:58 AM

View PostPaxus, on 02 December 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

Good one!  :))


Yes, since he couldn't have built anything like that without sharing it with his beloved Fuhrer.  That just wasn't done in Nazi Germany.  None of these guys would have dared to do anything important if Hitler didn't know about it.  

He was always checking up on all of them, too, whether they knew about it or not.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 04:22 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 02 December 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

To make a long story short, in English it just says he was a big noise in the SS, involved in rockets, nuclear research, and some things that are still secret today.  Rumored to have tried out flying saucer prototypes and other exotic technologies, and went missing after the war. Some rumors had it that he went to the US and was still there in the 1960s, but no one knows for certain.



It was no rumor, they had a working flying disc mounted with a couple of machine guns... i stored a few lines of text but you can find many more by simple search of " Thule society ".

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Since 1935 the Thule Gesellschaft (Society) had been scouting for a remote, inconspicuous, underdeveloped
testing ground for such a craft. Thule found a location in Northwest Germany that was known as (or possibly
designated as) Hauneburg. At the establishment of this testing ground and facilities the SS E-IV unit simply
referred to the new Thule disc as a war product- the “H-Gerat” (Hauneburg Device).


They had them but i heard from someone here that the problem was they could only fly couple of meters above grounds, i am not sure of that since i never saw/red anything about how high could they go. At the time they were working on very exotic antigrav engine i think it never worked but the idea was nice, even more ambitious then nowdays.... imagine if hitler would prevail, we would probably be colonizing space 20-30 years ago!

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 04:29 AM

One more thing where did the idea of the flying saucer design actualy came from,what insipired such a design,shape? Why such shape in time of war and in time where UFOs werent your everyday news headline? We know that shortly after the UFO sensation began. I went abit offtopic sorry but can't help it they had great ideas!

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:11 AM

View PostNuke_em, on 03 December 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

One more thing where did the idea of the flying saucer design actualy came from,what insipired such a design,shape? Why such shape in time of war and in time where UFOs werent your everyday news headline? We know that shortly after the UFO sensation began. I went abit offtopic sorry but can't help it they had great ideas!

Possibly this circular airframe from 1911.

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An early effort at disc-shaped design, the 'umbrella plane' of inventor Chance Vought.  Whatever this design's merits may be, they lie more in the quantity of fabric and the quality of the joinery than in any sound application of aerodynamic principles. The aircraft, as far as we know, went nowhere; but Vought himself went on to produce a famous line of aircraft in the U.S.A..

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:19 AM

Then there was Alfred Loedding, an engineer who saw a UFO in the early-1930s.  Later he was at Wright Field and was involved in Project Paperclip with the German scientists, who supposedly gave him some information about flying saucers.

He was also in Project Sign and had concluded early on that some of the UFOs were extraterrestrial.

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Leodding and some of the German scientists were testing flying saucer models in wind tunnels and things like that.


Alfred Loedding, as stated, had come to Wright Labs back in 1938 where he won a reputation as a brilliant technical innovator in the T-3 Engineering section. Loedding consulted on early UFO investigations not only because he was a leading authority on flying wing aircraft design, but he was also recognized as one of the few in the United States who had personal experience in rocketry. He had, in fact, become chief of the first Jet Propulsion Laboratory at Wright Field in 1940. In Loedding's resume he stated that while there, "I pioneered the work in rocket type engines ... I initiated and monitored all work that finally resulted in a modern and complete Jet Propulsion Laboratory in 1943."

After that Loedding went to work at the Armament Laboratory on the development of another project of his, the hydrobomb. The hydrobomb was a type of underwater rocket-propelled torpedo that was to be carried by aircraft for anti-ship warfare. While in this project Loedding served as the chief liaison with private contractors but apparently ran against military procedure in his work. As a result of that he resigned from the project in disgust with the wasteful management of time and resources that the military bureaucracy exhibited in its own efforts to develop weapons systems.

From August 1946 to May 1949 Loedding officially worked as the "Technical Assistant to the Chief of the Technical Analysis Division of MCI A." (MCIA was TID's WWII era predecessor which was called the Materiel Command Intelligence or MCI of | the Air Technical Service Command—forerunner to AMC. In this case Intelligence Analysis was called MCIA—A for Analysis.) During this time, aside from what would become an active job in UFO investigations, Loedding also supervised the offices of Guided Missiles and Foreign Industrial Facilities. It is unclear why, but although Loedding was technically employed by T-2 Intelligence then based at Patterson Field, he retained his office at Wright Field and may have still worked in some capacity for T-3 Engineering.


http://nicap.org/docs/loedd/loedd_chapter_6.htm


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:36 AM

Here's a web posting from one of Alfred Loedding's nephews, who says that his uncles work was so highly classified that much of it remains secret until now.  He knew Robert Goddard, Wernher von Braun and many other missile pioneers.

He believed that some UFOs were spaceships and that others might literally be "space animals", having evolved or been designed to live in that environment.  He dismissed the explanations of UFOs as "atmospheric phenomena" as part of the cover up.

According to Loedding, one of the things that caused Secretary of Defense James Forrestal's nervous breakdown was the fact that ETs were here and there was nothing they could do about it.  He was the one who read Loedding's "Estimate of the Situation" which was supposedly never declassified but rather all copies were destroyed.

He said that all this helped drive Forrestal over the edge, to the point where he was found running up and down the halls shouting "we're being invaded and we can't stop it".  

I have heard other people mention that over the years as well.  What if it's all true?  


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:40 AM

Loedding also thought that the nuclear tests kept attracting aliens, starting in 1945, and I have never doubted that.  

The year 1952 was the biggest UFO wave of all, especially in the summer, and the first H-bomb test was on November 1st of that year.  Test Mike.

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