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What Happened to SS Gen. Hans Kammler?


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#61    TheMacGuffin

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:09 AM

In the past, I always thought that Forrestal's crack up was more because he imagined the Russians were coming.  That's the official version, anyway, but in the UFO business the official version is almost always a load of horse hockey.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 10:16 PM

I love the idea, and it would make a great sifi movie plot.  That the Nazi Bell, Die Glocke, code name Chronos, which means "time" was indeed a time machine.  Able to move space time around itself avoiding inertia in the process. Was workable and that Kammler escaped after removing all the witnesses he could.  Advanced himself to the future to Kecksburg, Pennsylvania where in December 9, 1965, a fiery-trailed, brilliantly glowing object flew in a piloted manner and crashed landed in the woods.  Perhaps he was picked up by the local military by chance or part of operation paper clip.  Perhaps he escaped into the woods and hitchhiked his way across America.

Edited by KUKAI, 28 April 2013 - 10:18 PM.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:10 AM

The sad (for alternative history buffs) fact is that if the Germans had possessed any signifigant number of the 'wonder weapons' they are rumored to have had, they would have won the war. Put a ton of N-stoff aboard your Hannebu and visit Washington; who's gonna stop you? So there was nothing there, or nothing much.

Incidentally, high-ranking Germans lied to Hitler all the time. When the boss won't hear bad news, well, he doesn't, and the ambitious subordinate doesn't try to tell him: which is why Hitler spent his last month issuing orders to armies that had ceased to exist.


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Posted 13 September 2013 - 12:52 PM

It cannot be proven, though I think it not beyond the bounds of possibility that Kammler was picked up by operation paperclip, but never disclosed. It is one thing to have Von Braun on the payroll as his SS membership was "soft", and he had a low rank. But Kammler was one of the most senior SS generals and responsible for designing Auschwitz. There are four, or five accounts of his death depending on which literature is read. None of them has any evidence behind them, and the one that seems most likely, death at the hands of Czech partisans, is only heresay based on a group of partisans saying they had killed some SS officers in the last days of the war, but they had no idea who it was they had killed. Of course this may actually be the truth, but there is so much mystery surrounding Kammler that there has to be a big question mark over his fate. If not killed by partisans then I would be prepared to believe that he was taken to America in the greatest secrecy, and that he worked for the Americans until they had no further use for him. If true, I doubt he was allowed to retire and die of old age. Too many records are still secret, and that the war ended 68 years ago shows there is damaging material against the allies still remaining. Why are the files on Rudolph Hess still secret? who, or what institution is still being protected by this secrecy.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 12:11 AM

It is believed that Kammler's scientists were working on the space/time concepts of the detested Jewish scientist, Albert Einstein.  The so-called "bell" constructed in a remote part of Chezchoslovakia with a reported eerie blue/purple glow was nothing less than an attempt to build a machine using electro gravitics as a power source.  Some of the more outlandish theories about Obergruppenfuhrer Hans Kammler is that this 'bell' was, in fact, a time machine.  At the end of the war Kammler and one or two associates entered this bell, began a process of suspended animation, and after several centuries have passed, will return to animation.  You say, '...that's crazy.'  Could be, but remember, governments keeps secrets sometimes for decades and in the case of the United States and the United Kingdom, forever. Even now certain secrets from the American Civil War will never be released.  A photograph of A. Lincoln in his casket was kept secret until the early 1950's.  So it is possible that the US government (or the unelected elite that run the goverment) know what happened the Kammler.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 06:07 AM

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 07:52 AM

I hope you guys know that this whole "Die Glocke" thing is based solely on the writings of polish journalist Igor Witkowski, using supposedly "secret documents" as a source.
In short, apart from Igor Witkowski, there is absolutely no evidence that it ever existed !

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Die_Glocke

The whole thing about the German nuclear programme has been debunked countless times and im amazed that there are still people who believed that the Germans had nuclear weapons

http://www.globalsec...ermany/nuke.htm

The claims that the Nazi's had a wrking "flying saucer" is just ridiculus. Again no real evidence at all !

Sure the Nazi's had good scientists, but most of their "wunderwaffen" only became really useful after the Allied and the Soviets had developed them further.

I find it very distressing that there are so many people who seemingly wants the Nazi's to have been some kind of super scientists.
Why is it that people belive that ?
If the Nazi's really had those super advanced weapons systems, why were they totally defeated and occupied by the Allies and the Soviets ?

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 04:06 PM

View PostNoteverythingisaconspiracy, on 11 April 2014 - 07:52 AM, said:

If the Nazi's really had those super advanced weapons systems, why were they totally defeated and occupied by the Allies and the Soviets ?

The excuse most popular on cable television programs is that Germany just ran out of time to build these systems. If they could have extended the war one more year, they would have bombed the allies' home countries with nuclear weapons launched from giant submarines and multiple stage rockets. They would have had swarms of jet planes flying circles around our clunky propeller fighters while eradicating our antiquated bombers from their skies. The shows I've seen have had spectacular graphics showing these attacks.

Another excuse is that crazy Hitler didn't understand that more development of superweapons was needed before they would have a measurable effect on the war. Instead he was happy flinging thousands of V-2 rockets at random British targets and didn't care about more advanced weapons.

But these exciting cable shows never mention what really happened after the war. It took several years for both the U.S. and the Soviet Union to make these systems practical. It's hard to believe that Germany would have had better luck.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:19 PM

View Postscowl, on 11 April 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

The excuse most popular on cable television programs is that Germany just ran out of time to build these systems. If they could have extended the war one more year, they would have bombed the allies' home countries with nuclear weapons launched from giant submarines and multiple stage rockets.

What many of these people seems to forget is that if the war lasted much longer, Germany would have been hit by several nuclear bombs.
The US had 3 ready by August 1945, and they had a further 3 per month, so before the year was out germany would have been hit by 12 nuclear bombs. (probably more, because production was slowed down after the war ended)
So bye-bye Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Nüremberg etc. !

On the ground the Allied and the Soviets were in the process of introducing a whole new generation of tanks, that would have been fully capable of overwhelming the Germans anyway. (T-44, IS-3, M-26 and the Centurion)
Even if the Germans had been able to make new super fighters, bombers, tanks and rockets, they didn't have any fuel for them !

Edited by Noteverythingisaconspiracy, 11 April 2014 - 10:27 PM.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:31 PM

View PostNoteverythingisaconspiracy, on 11 April 2014 - 10:19 PM, said:

Even if the Germans had been able to make new super fighters, bombers, tanks and rockets, they didn't have any fuel for them !

The jets and rockets were using alternate fuels and the superduperweapons would have allowed them to retake the Romanian oil fields.

William Shirer listed Germany's major shortages in "Berlin Diary" before he fled Europe. He mentioned one that I had never thought of: cotton. Armies tend to go through a lot of uniforms and Germany had absolutely no source of cotton for making new ones, and only had a small supply of wool for coats. Their soldiers had been reduced to wearing modified Polish and Czechoslovakian uniforms.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:43 PM

Weren't all the scientists in the Bell project killed?

I saw that on History, I think. Or is that just foolishness, too

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:11 PM

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 11 April 2014 - 10:43 PM, said:

Weren't all the scientists in the Bell project killed?

I saw that on History, I think. Or is that just foolishness, too

As Henry Ford presciently observed, "'History' is bunk."


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:22 PM

To dispose of one suggested answer to the original question, Kammler was a civil engineer who seems to have been mostly an administrator. There would have been little purpose in bringing him to America when such types are common enough here. Maybe he was another Marion Groves, but Hell, we already had Marion Groves, and more like him besides.


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 06:27 AM

View PostPersonFromPorlock, on 11 April 2014 - 11:22 PM, said:

To dispose of one suggested answer to the original question, Kammler was a civil engineer who seems to have been mostly an administrator. There would have been little purpose in bringing him to America when such types are common enough here. Maybe he was another Marion Groves, but Hell, we already had Marion Groves, and more like him besides.

Very true,for a time he worked under Albert Speer who was an architect who Hitler appointed in charge of war production.Kammler could've brought no technical scientific knowledge to the Americans.Of course its all academic as Die Glocke never existed


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:13 AM

View Postscowl, on 11 April 2014 - 10:31 PM, said:

The jets and rockets were using alternate fuels and the superduperweapons would have allowed them to retake the Romanian oil fields.

William Shirer listed Germany's major shortages in "Berlin Diary" before he fled Europe. He mentioned one that I had never thought of: cotton. Armies tend to go through a lot of uniforms and Germany had absolutely no source of cotton for making new ones, and only had a small supply of wool for coats. Their soldiers had been reduced to wearing modified Polish and Czechoslovakian uniforms.

By 1944 their synthetic fuel plants were being destroyed and by august 1944 the Romanian oilfields were in Soviet hands and Romania has switched sides to the Allies. Even if the Germans had managed to recapture it, the Allied would just have bombed it again.
From the moment Hitlers plan to take the Kaukasus oilfields (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Blau) failed, they had basically no chance of winning the war.
You might argue it was allready lost in december 1941 when the US entered the war and the Wehmacht was soundly defeated outside Moscow.

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