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#61    Beany

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:57 PM

Perhaps in these days of nuclear weapons, cooperation would be a better survival technique than aggression.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:39 PM

View PostBeany, on 21 November 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

Perhaps in these days of nuclear weapons, cooperation would be a better survival technique than aggression.

I agree with you, cooperation is always better survival technique, but in general humans aren't very capable of such rationalization. We are still bound by our Monkeyspheres, where we need to group up with some people versus the others, and then respond with aggression against them just because they don't belong in our group. No matter what advancement human society has gone through, we are still very tribal species, who will practice collaboration within our group, and aggression against other groups.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:36 PM

View PostAmalthe, on 21 November 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

I agree with you, cooperation is always better survival technique, but in general humans aren't very capable of such rationalization. We are still bound by our Monkeyspheres, where we need to group up with some people versus the others, and then respond with aggression against them just because they don't belong in our group. No matter what advancement human society has gone through, we are still very tribal species, who will practice collaboration within our group, and aggression against other groups.

Our evolution isn't over yet. We just have started to connect the world in a way it has never been connected yet before. A chance to learn from each other and work out the tribal kinks is possible. To think and feel that there is no capability is a self-fulfilling prophecy. What group is there to be aggressive against if we became one group?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:33 PM

If it implies an afterlife yes.  Not all people who believe in god believe that they will surive death, many Jews for instance and diest.  If if implied an afterlife, well yes, anyone would be a fool not to find out what they will have to answer to.  Most religions have some form of hell or perhaps purgatory.  For Christians, I believe hell is forever.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:35 PM

View Post_Only, on 21 November 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

Our evolution isn't over yet. We just have started to connect the world in a way it has never been connected yet before. A chance to learn from each other and work out the tribal kinks is possible. To think and feel that there is no capability is a self-fulfilling prophecy. What group is there to be aggressive against if we became one group?

That will never  happen.  Evoloution is not upward or downward, it is haphazard to say the least.  I see no proof that we are capable of overcoming our nature, which is pretty dark, ugly and filled with little good.  I know of no one who does not have to struggle just to be can of decent in there everyday life.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:38 PM

View PostMagicjax, on 21 November 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

If I found out without a doubt that there was a god. In other words a grain of evidence. I'd admit he's real but I still wouldn't like him. An all knowing all powerful doesn't equal good to me. Would I fear him? Certainly. But fear isn't something I care to bow to. And it certainly doesn't earne my respect.

I see your point, but it is very adolecent in tone.  Well perhaps that is were we are at, age 14 with too much energy and not knowing how to use it....also an inability to think along rational lines for any length of time......well I am that way.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:06 AM

I`ve been evacuated today because of the forces of nature.....looks like this god still hasn`t shown!

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:04 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 18 November 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:



The point remains that there is no need for a creator. The laws of physics take care off all that for us.
Sorry brother... They do not. No need for the science of the gaps anymore than the god.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:13 PM

Yes, it would change everyone.

Depending on the kind deity that we knew existed, society would change in various ways. If the truth was that we we're seeded here by alien beings, then I bet most people would be less cautious about their actions.

However, if we knew for a fact that our God was someone like Yahweh or Zeus, Gods who punish the **** out of people, then obviously, society would be a very peaceful place because we'd know that punishment awaits us.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 05:46 AM

What god exactly? Yaweh who killed off half the planet for sinning, or sent bears to kill children after they insulted army men? Perhaps Zues who raped and impregnated women as various animals?

There is no god that could exist that doesn't make me sick to my stomach. If would only give me a goal to achieve, kill that disease ridden beast that calls itself god.

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