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#1891    lost_shaman

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:27 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 14 December 2012 - 03:59 AM, said:

It indicates to me that the Hessdalen phenomena might creep, like the magnetic pole. What about Germany 1561, or for that matter the Belgian flap? If it creeps slowly perhaps the link it tectonic. Yes people see lights in the sky all over the earth, that in no way qualifies as alien.

Hey psyche,

Been a while cheers. I don't think the phenomena creeps, there are many other places known where the HP phenomena is also known to occur frequently. People just say Hessdalen Phenomena because that is where it has really been studied heavily. Also there is no reason to think the Phenomena doesn't also occur everywhere it is just that we do know of "hot spots" where it seems to reoccur often.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:55 AM

There was this hilarious janitor who, instead of throwing us out of the college, began to discuss ancient aliens with us and he made a good point "If the aliens came to earth and were so advanced, then why did they build everything out of stone and clay, where's all the machinery?" (One might say they only helped us evolve and didn't give us any technology...scum bags)

I'd love for the theory to be fact and I hope it is.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:13 AM

I think just about everything Giorgio Tsouklos discussed on the show is possible, but it doesn't mean it happened.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:15 AM

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

First of all I think thats interesting that you tnink to know answers on questions which still troubles astrophysicsts. Are you one? (Im dead serious about this question because personally I would like to know if you are to ask some others questions which bothers me. If you dont want to answer ignore question. I dont like to discover personal stuff neither so I would understand.)

Well, if you took the time to communicate better you would not be so confused.

Am I an Astrophysicist? No, I am not, I am an Electrical Engineer and I am an an Amateur astronomer.

I again am not understanding what you mean about asking others questions  I am not sure if you mean am I discussing this before discussing with you, or are you asking will I discuss this with others after this conversation. Why that is concerning I cannot fathom.


View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

There is no question how colors can be formed. But when is hot it should emmit one color, when is cold another color. Here we have same colors at same time meaning its cold and hot in same time.
White balls (very hot,if a plasma) can coexist with red ones (very cool, if a plasma) of the same size,again violating the predicted behavior of a conventional plasma...

Yes, do you know what measurements are taken in Hertz?

Here in Australia we operate on 50 Hertz, that means you change from positive to negative state 50 times in one second, why would those sort of speeds not offer the illusion of being hot and cold at the same time?

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Conclusion of scientists who studied Hessdalen phenomenan was that self regulating mechanism is unknown orgin.  

And it is, unless someone can say exactly what causes the behavioural changes. I am not saying I have a  conclusion, I am saying the data indicates a phenomena that is electrical in nature. Can electricity alone form a web intricate enough to attain some form of intelligence? I think that is the question here.

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Okay. On that there is several answers which scientists offered. But I ask that question so that people can get full picture about phenomenan.
However,

Ejection of mini light balls stayed mechanism is unknown origin. The empirical evidence is that the small balls which can be ejected to a large distance (of the order of 50–100 m) from the large white colored nucleus tend to be green colored, while the small balls which appear to be very close (distance of the order of 2–5 m) to a cluster nucleus tend to be white (high intensity) or red (high intensity) and blue (low intensity) colored. Again the reason for the different colors, which are apparently related to distance from the nuclear region, remains unknown.Now look again on answer about colors..

Yes, and..........???? what exactly? The colours could well  be an effect from many different conditions such as temperature or pressure, and the atmosphere provides varying degrees of both at particular heights. How do you equate "in the sky" with "space travel"? Why did the Nuclear weapons being tested in the atmosphere become known as "Rainbow Bombs"?

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Answering question with question you didnt answer it. Just to let you know, researchers put solid object, black holes, cigare shape objects and illuminated pyramids and bullets under UFO because they dont know is that same phenomenan. Some parameters indicate that is plasma others defenetly shows it isnt plasma. Even exotic plasma so scientists put those into 5% of UFO. But ofcourse symmetrical shape doesnt mean anything. (Hint-Snowflake,crystalls)

I have not answered anything, I did not say I did, I did not claim to, you should read a little more slowly. I have shown that the described phenomena indicates that it is electrical in nature.

I think symmetrical shape might be the answer indeed, - look this is a DNA helix right?

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Look at this sinusoidal wave on alternating current.

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I see what appears to me to be a similar shape for existence. Is it some for of wireless electricity? Is this how Tesla light up a street full of wireless lights? Is this why he was building Wardenclyffe tower? Maybe all of the above, maybe none.

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

So you have for example three plasmas in the sky, separate (distant). All of sudden they start to dance, comes togheter, joins and form triangle.

And magnetism is excluded how?

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

You didnt answer on question how come when we put dust in plasma that forms double helix like DNA shape?
Sadly scientists still doesnt have explaination for iron particles. I would rather trust them.

So would I. That does not mean they are not thinking the same as I. I do not have enough for a paper, just a direction that indicates it is a strong possibility, and to me, therefore a good place to begin investigating the phenomena. Which I find more productive than musing alien life forms.

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

True but what when messurments contradicts?
It shows like solid objects yet doesnt notice on radar?

Like I say, this is a new phenomena, it is therefore likely to vary with those we do understand. The double helix might be that key.

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

On VLF noise scientists didnt find origin of it.
Furthermore read this:

“Therefore we consider these anomalous signals as a low-frequency radio phenomenon from an unidentified source. Doppler effect in these signals is presently unknown. These anomalous signals cannot be explained by the same ball-lightning theory that seemingly is able to explain some aspects of the optical phenomenology (Turner, 2003).”


So you know what scientists done. They simply exclude from their further research those things which they didnt know how to connecet to plasma.
Such as VLF noise, Iron particles, flashes.
That doesnt mean they still dont research about those, just they exclude it from conclusions for a moment.

Yes exactly, it does not mean they do not research this area, why? That which I have indicated would be following the same path would it not? OK, VLF has not emitted anything persuasive, what about other frequencies, what about harmonics?

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Conclusion of the science was "...its behavior most often unpredictable." And "...unknown origin."

That would be why this UAP is classed as HP and not plasma isn't it.

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Also read this :

"One week after our test with the laser, a red light move around the feet of the observers, on
the ground. It looked just as if a similar laser as ours was used. It lasted only a couple of
seconds, and not long enough to find out where it came from. The only place it could have
come from was above us in the sky.


So they saw a light and they have no idea where it came from, so they guessed at the sky. And?

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

and this:

"Therefore, the fact that some “structured events” in Hessdalen were recorded by EMBLA, is not a proof that Earth is visited by exogenous probes. Nevertheless this possibility in itself, as a pure work-hypothesis, is not at all excluded by official science, and it is included inside the plans (introduced before) of the SETV project."

What "structured events" Lets be clear about what we are discussing, if it is a "structured event" it's not HP is it?

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Thats because you are not objective. You wanted to see like you are putting more effort then else. I defenetly dont agree on this. I put same amount of energy and effort to answer your posts as you to answer mine. Your time, belive it or not, its not more valuble then mine although , obviously, you think otherwise.

You mean you do not like your pet theory being challenged?

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

You anser your question alone. Always has-so atleast now I dont think that I need to explain where ancient came from.
To answer on alien part read again above so that you improved your knowledge and read nexts posts for further info.

And the above loose references that you have inferred do not change the question. If the above is your link, I summarily dismiss it based on the flimsy weight of it alone. I still do not see any connection to space to beyond at all, I see some very loose musings that are not even tied to HP, but a "structured event".

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:21 AM

View Postlost_shaman, on 14 December 2012 - 04:27 AM, said:

Hey psyche,

Been a while cheers. I don't think the phenomena creeps, there are many other places known where the HP phenomena is also known to occur frequently. People just say Hessdalen Phenomena because that is where it has really been studied heavily. Also there is no reason to think the Phenomena doesn't also occur everywhere it is just that we do know of "hot spots" where it seems to reoccur often.

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All the best for the Holidays in case you disappear again!. It has been a while, too long. You are never forgotten though my friend. ;)

That is perfectly reasonable. I am just throwing an idea out there, and was thinking if this does take decades to shift then tectonic are the slowest moving process I can think of, and given that Earthlight's seem to have some sort of relationship, I figured, just maybe..... there could be a connection.

Recurrence I think might be an indicator that rules out tectonic, good call mate :tu:

Cheers.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:41 AM

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

Obvously you skip this so I would post you again so that you doesnt complain anymore.

Plasma Life Forms in Space
An international scientific team has discovered that under the right conditions, particles of inorganic dust can become organized into helical structures which can interact with each other in ways that are usually associated with organic life. Using a computer model of molecular dynamics, V N Tsytovich and his colleagues of the Russian Academy of Science showed that particles in plasma can undergo self-organization as electric charges become separated and the plasma becomes polarized.

Plasma Life Forms in the Laboratory
In 2003 physicists; Erzilia Lozneanu and Mircea Sanduloviciu of Cuza University, Romania, described in their research paper how they created plasma spheres in the laboratory that can grow, replicate and communicate - fulfilling most of the traditional requirements for biological cells.




And this:


http://iopscience.io.../8/263/fulltext


Inorganic materials can form the shape that strongly resembles a helix, which as I said also looks to me quite a bit like a sinusoidal wave form. That does not mean the UAP are alive, it is an interesting observation is all. I find the communications aspect hard to believe, is this confirmed any place? I expect such a discovery would make some noise in the community. I do not feel it is being put across accurately.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:04 AM

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

Here is Psyche from above post


Methodological rigour can be applied to everything, including the possibility that Earth is being visited. By
using appropriate diffusion equations it is possible to predict the interstellar expansion of galactic civilizations
as a process which is expanding like a wave (4, 6, 18). The wave speed comes out at ~10-3light years per year. This implies that intelligent civilization could settle the entire galaxy in only 60 million years. Compared with the age of our galaxy (τ = 1010yrs), this means that galactic post-migration colonization would occur during a time interval which is at least 150 times smaller. Earth itself may have been visited numerous times
since the arrival of homo sapiens and much before. These are strong scientific reasons for the systematic
search for proofs of extraterrestrial visitation both inside the solar system and on our planet

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

Here is Psyche from above post


Methodological rigour can be applied to everything, including the possibility that Earth is being visited. By
using appropriate diffusion equations it is possible to predict the interstellar expansion of galactic civilizations
as a process which is expanding like a wave (4, 6, 18). The wave speed comes out at ~10-3light years per year. This implies that intelligent civilization could settle the entire galaxy in only 60 million years. Compared with the age of our galaxy (τ = 1010yrs), this means that galactic post-migration colonization would occur during a time interval which is at least 150 times smaller. Earth itself may have been visited numerous times
since the arrival of homo sapiens and much before. These are strong scientific reasons for the systematic
search for proofs of extraterrestrial visitation both inside the solar system and on our planet


Ohh for goodness sakes, that is amusing at the end of the paper that only indicates that if such is posible that Hessdalen might be of a similar nature and allow us to detect it! I take it you did not read the entire paper?




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Several theories have been considered to explain the light phenomenon occurring in Hessdalen and the electromagnetic field which seems to be correlated to  it. One theory was finally found, which is able to explain most of the data recorded by us (15): this theory is due to physical chemist David Turner. It consists of a thermo-chemical mechanism (19) producing and maintaining light balls whose structure and radiant characteristics are very similar to the ones of ball lightning.


In a first phase, air can be ionised by tectonic stress causing simultaneously piezoelectricity and the emission of VLF and UHF waves (21). In a second phase, the formed plasma can bind with water and aerosols to create a hot sharp-edged light ball with a cool water-and-ion coat, in which electrical and thermo-chemical energy exchanges occur. Surface energy reminimization can determine both ball clustering and ball ejection effects. The typical erratic motion and kinematic characteristics can be explained by asymmetries in the layer of droplets of the light balls, which can be caused by changes in either the chemical or electrical state.


Now just what have I been saying that you have been pooh poohing?
I seem to remember mentioning tectonic stresses and induction?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:30 AM

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

....An experiment carried out by Project Hessdalen
during the 1984 campaign showed that when a laser was aimed towards a blinking light-ball, that light-ball
punctually responded by changing its pulsation rate (7). Was such a reaction a natural consequence of some
kind of “photon-photon interaction” or an artificial manifestation of alien intelligence? Very recently a
preliminary analysis (17) of the spectrum of light phenomena recorded in Australia has clearly shown that the
identified substance producing light cannot be produced by geophysical and/or atmospheric mechanisms.
The evaluation of videos of such phenomena shows sometimes sharp structures. We do not know yet where
such structures come from and which is the physical mechanism producing the related emission of radiation,
but we do know that our present physical science might furnish the answer to the specific anomalies which
might be crucial for SETI.


The link to refrence 17 (co-incidentally Teodorani's own paper) is broken. I'd like to see that paper because I too have questions.

He is not talking about Pettigrew's light refraction hypothesis by any chance is he?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:32 AM

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Mark 4:9! Okay now I will wait for you. Somehow I started to enjoy this conversation, you? :rolleyes: ;)


Honestly, I would like to very much. If we can steer away from the bickering and focus on the data that would be most excellent.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:39 AM

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

Psyche here is what Massimo told me on post 1733


Massimo Teodorani: Yes. You caught the big point, here. Since three years, after the publication of this prominent physics paper by German and Russian scientists (Tsytovich et al.):

http://iopscience.io.../8/263/fulltext

I started to consider quite seriously the possibility that some behavior of Hessdalen-like lights might be explained as “plasma life forms”: and this is another work hypothesis that I have decided to ponder and evaluate in depth. I have identified several concrete elements in the Hessdalen-like phenomenology that might match quite well with this possibility. Concerning this I remind you that yet in my 2004 JSE paper (page 233) I mentioned some observations that I did in which some kind of secondary ball ejections mimic very well the cellular multiplication process. In addition to a divulging science article of mine in Italian, I discussed quite extensively this hypothesis also in the last chapter of my 2008 book “Sfere di Luce” (Macro Edizioni). More or less at the same time, after studying some additional hypotheses based on “quantum entanglement” and on brain studies, together with a colleague of mine I prepared a research project in this specific sense. You can find it here as a poster that we presented 3 years ago at the Naturwissenshaften in Salzburg (Austria) during the Quantum Mind 2007 Congress:

http://www.scienzaem...mm/QM-MTGN2.jpg
( Teodorani M. & Nobili G. (2007). “Anomalous Light Phenomena vs. Brain Electric Activity”. Abstract at: http://www.sbg.ac.at...cts/posters.htm )

Of course we do know quite well (even if published almost nothing technical yet in long papers on this specific issue) that very many witness exist in the world who report a kind of “interaction” with this kind of phenomena. This happened also to some scientists (not me and my colleagues, anyway). In the light of what has been published in recent papers concerning the “plasma life hypothesis”, and also supporting ourselves with some recent findings in some applications of quantum theory in mesoscopic situations (such as microtubules in the brain) and the electrically cooperative nature of plamas, we decided to prepare some feasibility study all aimed at a specific goal that may be synthesized in this question: is it possible to demonstrate scientifically that some plasmas are “life forms” and that they are occasionally able to interact with us? We think that this is demonstrable and/or disprovable scientifically if only the experiment we proposed will ever be attempted with the necessary completeness and rigor (we did only a little part of it so far, in particular studying the EEG “theta state” of a witness who was with us somewhere in the Apennines just in concomitance with some sightings we all had). Of course this hypothesis can be also disproved by the fact that it might be the light phenomenon itself (without being “intelligent” at all) to induce hallucinations due to the electromagnetic field that it produces (such as in Persinger’s theory in neurophysiology) in people. We hope to conduct this experiment soon: not easy to carry out, but possible. You’ll see details of this research project in our Austrian 2007 poster.

Of course if really a “plasma life form” exists, after looking how it imitates the DNA replication and evolution, we cannot exclude that such kind of “life” may evolve into a form of “intelligence” here and everywhere in the Universe. This possibility needs to be studied using both experimental rigor and quantitative approach and a healthy open mind, such as Science should require always. If this hypothesis were proved, then we would have a dramatic revolution both in physics and in what we think we know of two processes named Life and Intelligence.



I agree with this, is is an anomaly that requires investigation. To me this sounds more like a musing on what proto life might be like. Has Teodorani ever mentioned looking at that possibility? Does UAP indicate a form of life that is not quite life?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:46 AM

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

Quilus,

On another hand from Massimo interview:

Of course I know: UFO hunters like to think that this is “shape-shifting” of alien airships or alike and that Hessdalen is just a “portal”. But we have NO proof that this is what happens really. Of course we cannot exclude totally this possibility; otherwise we would go against the explorative and impartial investigative approach of science. But we cannot consider it so far, at least until we’ll accumulate enough measurable and recordable observations in the same way in which we did when we monitored more standard phenomena in Hessdalen and elsewhere. Yes, I can confirm that, apart from the strange geometries of plasmas that occasionally are seen there, something else sometimes overlaps. But we have no sufficient data in this sense in order to even venture a work hypothesis.We cannot exclude the possible action of military UAV or UCAV drones in those areas, but we cannot prove it as well so far. This is still an open problem. Exceptional claims need exceptional proofs, and in this part of the research we do not have those proofs yet, but rather mostly witnesses from people, who in most cases may (innocently) mix what they see with their fantasy and their lack of knowledge of unusual natural phenomena and new aerospace experimental projects: of course they are totally justified, and their sincerity in what they reported is, wholly, out of question.


including UAV and UCAV drones that have spherical, disc and rhomboidal shapes. These flying machines do exist and many of them are operational, and the ones that I know so far do not fly using “electrogravitics”. If I wanted to maintain a certain project secret I would fly and test such drones just over areas where strange lights are seen most often: everyone would think that they come from aliens, but we, expert in aeronautics too, do not fall into this trap. This does not mean that we totally exclude the possibility of alien visitations: science imposes us to be open minded but also that we have to describe rigorously what we see and not let our fantasy make Pindaric flights. If this is the case, well, then it will be Science to tell the last word.


Note the above bolding. I figure it says:

We even look after the woo woo crowd.

But in a nice way.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:58 AM

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

Ohhh it isnt scientifcly prooven. Yes it does
Peer rivew-Done.
Let me see it-Here

Hm I dont know.
You decide rather you trust science or not.

If...

Now isnt that ignorance? Its then pointless to bring new stuff here since on scientific papers comments of UMers are : Nah.


That is not the case at all. You came in here and said that AA is validated by Hessdalen. That is a very imaginative conclusion.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:03 AM

View Postnopeda, on 13 December 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

He wouldn't have to if you would just tell him HOW humans built the things he doesn't believe they were able to build. So if you think you know, why not tell him and the rest of the world how they did it.

The title is ANCIENT ALIENS, not "Gosh, I have no faith in my fellow man so everything I don't understand must have been made by aliens."

It's your claim, therefore the burden of proof is yours. That's how it works.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:06 AM

View Postzoser, on 13 December 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

Exactly.  The answer is that the above cut just cannot be explained in mundane terms.  The wall thickness is far too fine.  No doubt they will try and talk around it with some clever circumlocution but that will not do.

Experts such as Dunn et al have wrapped this case up.  One of the biggest lies ever perpetuated has with the help of a number of scientific investigators been exposed.  The fact that it is still perpetuated says much about the shocking state of the human race at this time.

Lots more evidence still to present.

You have proven time and again on this thread that you are just a troll, and not even a talented one at that.

I hope you enjoy having your head firmly shoved up buried deep in the sand of ignorance. I won't waste my time with you anymore.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:08 AM

View Postthe L, on 12 December 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

In that sense maybe we study our creators already. I found that ancient ET. You?

No, it is not ET, what is to say this is not in some loose fashion an ancestor? What if HP is the missing spark between amino acids and life? What if it is just a pretty phenomena like the aurora displays?

No link to space, let alone other planets has been made.

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