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[zoser]

Gaden, on 28 December 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

The samples were taken from several places whithin and without the pyramid. All the samples showed the same date, as did pottery shards found on site, approximately 2500 BC. There is no way around it, this is the date for the construction of the GP.

My understanding has always been that the GP was repaired around the time of the early dynasties.  This is most probably what they have detected.

Edited by zoser, 28 December 2012 - 08:56 AM.

[zoser]

DingoLingo, on 27 December 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

again.. that long cut.. I am sorry zoser.. but that is more likely done by them or someone else then it being ancient.. like I said in my earlier post.. find some old pics.. 40's 50's or something that shows those cuts.. they will predate modern stone cutting tools.. then I might start taking it seriously

That's fair enough.  It is difficult to prove either way I agree.  However there is evidence of vitrification when the camera zooms in and a radius effect that is difficult to explain with a modern power tool.  Foerster remarks that the cuts used in the canyons and caves for the precision stone removal always shows a small radius.

The Ollantaytambo cut is much more decisive and difficult to explain.  I need to watch a few more clips from Peru then I'll put together another summary this time to do with precision masonry putting together the key pieces of evidence.

[seeder]

747400, on 28 December 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Funnily, people say exactly the opposite when they want to argue how implausible, say, Roswell was; they seem quite insistent that ETs would be so advanced that they would never possibly crash. So ....

sadly many of the aliens died and got buried in peruvian and mexican cemetries, so they decided to keep away, coz man was so filthy he didnt even wash his hands...and they didnt think to tell him... they were just rock shifters

[Abramelin]

zoser, on 27 December 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

I honestly don't know how to answer your last question.  You are asking about evidence of precision high technology outside of Peru and Bolivia circa 2500BC.  

My belief is that the GP is much older so I wouldn't count that.  I do believe that the GP is ancient high technology (visitors).

Second part of your question.

You ask influenced by whom?  

To cut through a lot of the story my understanding is that Egypt was abandoned in pre-history and the people scattered to various part of the Mediterranean area and Persia.

I had not heard of the Sardinia pyramid until you mentioned it but my version seems to correlate with this.

At approx 4000 BC there was a diaspora and Egypt began again.  This later (circa 3100BC) led to what we know of as dynastic Egypt.

There is much more but in brief that is my understanding.

Did I answer your question?

My point was that we have 2 ziggurats of similar age and shape, but very far apart. By that we can start thinking about who influenced whom and when.

This is not about those ziggurats at all, btw.

If you say aliens must have build those stone structures in Bolivia and Peru, then you must show us an example of how the aliens built in the past, and only then can you say it might have been aliens who built temples and fortifications in Peru and Bolivia.

Now all we can say is that we don't know exactly who built what and when.

[seeder]

seeder, on 28 December 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

(  I took a while writing this as was watching the news at same time, so when it got posted its already one page back, so heres a bump as I feel it important not to be missed)


What a polite post, thanks!  But no need for Sir.  (master is fine tho!!)

My replies inline as cannot do the multiquote thingy, no idea why not!

Sir, you assume that other life exists in this Universe and in the way we are taught to think. You assume they didn't help us out at least just one day.

Right here I have to say, if we were not intelligent 'enough' to build stuff if and when they allegedly first came, why bother trying to teach us anything at all like building, why not teach a universal  alphabet? Medicine? Dentistry? PROPER EMBALMING Techniques like we have today, where people like Lenin still look fresh many years later? You know, teach usefull stuff?  The importance of world peace? The importance of pollution? But Oh no - they just helped us shift a few rocks then bugger off again?  barstrds, they come all that way and didnt teach us 'realy important stuff at all...

Why? What did that benefit them?

Ancient men had 'homes' stone or otherwise... the monuments were for worship of the kings or gods or whatever, and as today, look at a church, cathedral, mosque... they are all built 'different' to regular homes..

There doesn't have to be more life in the Universe. I've realized the whole probability theory means nothing. I did say I think that's wrong because most Humans think our race will live on for eternity and perhaps my bloodline will live on so I hope so but it doesn't have to work that way says history. That's fact.

No life forms will live for eternity, well maybe the microscopic ones that can adapt fast. Its an absoluteb certainty, one day - our sun dies, so too will all life. Unless microbes can adapt for space weather..

Concerning rocks, they're some real almost perfect stones and such out there which we can't figure out 100%.

Who is we? Zoser and forum junkies maybe?  Many established professional people who study them have their ideas.. no-one ever bothers looking into 'them' tho, coz that means more than 5 mins searching google or youtube...its a fact, if people cant find the info they need in first few search results, they give up searching, and no searching, means no research whatsoever.

Earlier in this thread I countered a lot of points zoser raised with my own research into things like drill cores,   when he had assumed they were lazer drills or whatever, and that ancient 'man' couldnt have done it, he even used the words impossible...but that was only to 'his' way of thinking.,...man did have drills!! I found ther proof, so can anyone  - who broadens their horizons, and finds fact for themselves, and STOPS geting their info from youtube or just forums!

No these lazy people just watch youtube alien vids who say. 'say'...'we havent got a clue'.....they just cannot accept human ingenuity..remember necessity is the mother of invention...(think McGuiver!)

Using an Alien would easily explain this.

Yeh and it could explain 'everything else too'

Again I suggested to myself and everyone to explain what an Alien exactly is.

Ask the native american indians when they lost the lands to the illegal aliens!!

Especially the one helping humans. You're right that we can't know unless that person in Bangkok really does or the Government(s) knows already. To me it seemed like you stated that anything is possible but you didn't say that necessarily.

If aliens had come here with a sense of helping us,  then why has it taken us thousdans of years more... to become high tec?  For ex, we learned less than 100 years ago that doctors should wash their hands in hospitals to prevent the spread of infection, only 100 years ago that was figured, youd think the old aliens would have said to ancient man, with his fingernails full of poop...WASH YOUR HANDS!?

Who taught us antibiotics, penecilin? Antibacterial products?  Man did it, THE PESKY ALIENS THO, AND CLEARLY HIGH TECH ....JUST MOVED A FEW BOULDERS, HOW BLOODY RUDE OF THEM TO NOT SHARE STUFF THAT COULD HAVE MADE THIS A MUCH BETTER WORLD..

They will have been high tec....but they supposedly shared none of the tech, or medicinal knowledge, heck even diet advice  no they didnt give us anything that would save lives, cure disease, or know how to make a wheel...they just helped with rocks? Bloody waste of time them coming then eh? What a bloody waste on interstellar travel..

If you believe in other intelligent life existing in the Universe before or after(in this case before) the appearance of Humans then something like Ancient Aliens would easily explain what you wrote but the evidence for it isn't before us to examine I think or do you know something?

see above.

If you ask me I've been tossing around the idea of "manifested" Aliens or Super Humans like magicians moving blocks of stone with their brains which would just be deleted or of died after the objective was completed. I can't disprove it at this time. Apparently the Government says there's no other life in our Universe at this time.

the govt says that? Sure? Science done the maths and its cert I believe, law of odds or whatever

I can't disprove that. Why would they deny? Is it because the little Grey Alien wanted to make crop circles and rip apart farm animals? Is it because the Reptilian wanted to rape me and others in my sleep? That is if we remembered. I could of said yes. I'll never know. After making love they slap a probe in your ass or a metal rod in your body?

Yes and nowadays the probes are simply called dildos, and come in many different colors and sizes etc, the aliens passed that one on to us alright, and some folk couldnt get enough so made them ourselves! What a gift? Always waiting for when you need it!

Question? What can a probe pick up in someones ass? tempertature? Humidity? Aroma?

Why no xrays, ct scans or whatever they are called, brain scans, blood tests?  Why dont they weigh folk? Damed stupid aliens eh, even star trek had a tricorder idea,  but aliens?.... No - just 6 inches of love which they called probes...haha, pervs!

If you ask me the Men in Black are having sex with each other and you. In all seriousness, just "manifest" the thing in our bodies. What if Humans start expanding in the Universe?

Unfortunately by the time humans expand, so too will the universe have expanded, so may NEVER happen..

It would be neat to meet other intelligent species especially if we've both have always been advancing technology wise at the same rate for some reason. They also could just be super intelligent and extremely friendly. Maybe we will find them attractive? What if they're the same as us?


There could indeed be intelligent life in many places, but maybe they use their intelligence in other ways? Man has the desire to conquer, explore, travel.  We cant expect other life forms to have such human egos, can we?  Fish dont build a wheel, they dont think that way, and they are another lifeform.......

Edited by seeder, 28 December 2012 - 09:34 AM.

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 28 December 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

My point was that we have 2 ziggurats of similar age and shape, but very far apart. By that we can start thinking about who influenced whom and when.

This is not about those ziggurats at all, btw.

If you say aliens must have build those stone structures in Bolivia and Peru, then you must show us an example of how the aliens built in the past, and only then can you say it might have been aliens who built temples and fortifications in Peru and Bolivia.

Now all we can say is that we don't know exactly who built what and when.

The smoking gun lies in the precision and the technology used to do it.  This is the focus of a lot of Foerster's work supported by Chris Dunn and other engineers.

I don't really think people here fully appreciate what is required to place two polygonal multi-tonne blocks together with high precision.  I cannot stress what an unbelievable accomplishment that is and what sophisticated means would be required to do it.

That is the focus of my pulling together evidence now.  It's stretching it a bit to say that I'm doing research because all I'm doing is sitting at a keyboard looking at pictures of stone walls and video clips.  I have no other means at my disposal.  It does however make my job easier that people have visited these sites and have made the videos available.

So for me it's not a question of did aliens do this or that?  It's a question of what can we deduce or exclude from the technology used.  Then there is the skull issue that needs to be considered etc.

The clip we saw yesterday of the saw cut looks like it will provide a key piece of the evidence.  However I still have hundreds of other clips to watch yet!

Edited by zoser, 28 December 2012 - 09:35 AM.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

I'm thinking about how we can break shale usinf only a hammer and chisel, what other rocks break like that?

[zoser]

Wearer of Hats, on 28 December 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

I'm thinking about how we can break shale usinf only a hammer and chisel, what other rocks break like that?

Slate?  Why are you looking into this?

[seeder]

zoser, on 28 December 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

The smoking gun lies in the precision and the technology used to do it.  This is the focus of a lot of Foerster's work supported by Chris Dunn and other engineers.



I don't really think people here fully appreciate what is required to place two polygonal multi-tonne blocks together with high precision.  I cannot stress what an unbelievable accomplishment that is and what sophisticated means would be required to do it.

But Chris Dunn...doesnt believe in aliens..

Now, take 2 rocks with 'more or less'  flat surfaces and leave them stacked, out in the open for a few throuand years. Dust and sand particles and thousands of years  can cause wear, erosion,  and they (dust and sand) over thousands of years can impact and hide the original - maybe non perfect fitting stones, so that nowadays it looks like they were  - oh...so precisely fitted.

Because its as plain as the nose on your face... these structures 'have' been open to the effects of weather/erosion, for THOUSANDS of years!

Any smooth pebble on any beach.... wasnt always smooth, only time did that, and erosion, wave action...but one day those stones on the beach...were not smooth at all... but now we pick up such stones, and dont even consider they were once part of bigger, sharper rocks,,, do we? But they were once upon a time

As odd as it may seem, its totally plausible, and even one explanation like this  - offers an alternative to them 'fitting perfect' from the start... and there are other plausible explanations too.

Just dont ask me, work it out yourselves

[Abramelin]

zoser, on 28 December 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

The smoking gun lies in the precision and the technology used to do it.  This is the focus of a lot of Foerster's work supported by Chris Dunn and other engineers.

I don't really think people here fully appreciate what is required to place two polygonal multi-tonne blocks together with high precision.  I cannot stress what an unbelievable accomplishment that is and what sophisticated means would be required to do it.

That is the focus of my pulling together evidence now.  It's stretching it a bit to say that I'm doing research because all I'm doing is sitting at a keyboard looking at pictures of stone walls and video clips.  I have no other means at my disposal.  It does however make my job easier that people have visited these sites and have made the videos available.

So for me it's not a question of did aliens do this or that?  It's a question of what can we deduce or exclude from the technology used.  Then there is the skull issue that needs to be considered etc.

The clip we saw yesterday of the saw cut looks like it will provide a key piece of the evidence.  However I still have hundreds of other clips to watch yet!

Dunn and Foerster should fantasize less and read more.

The only reason some things  seem a mystery is because when  people cannot find the necessary info on the internet, then there is no info to be found.

I grew up in a time people still read books.

[Abramelin]

Abramelin, on 27 December 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

It can be argued 'otherwise' by taking the accounts of those WHO WERE PRESENT into account.

The site does not look 'rough', but I can tell you this until kingdom come, and you still won't believe me.

I posted photos you won't find anywhere else on the internet. Why? Because *I* shot those pics, that's why.

I even have a photo of a stone at Sillustani (NW coast of Lake Titicaca), depicting an impact of an asteroid on earth.

And I will wait till YOU find a photo depicting just that.

You can't, I know, and when you finally admit you could not find that photo, I will post mine.

You have no idea, Zoser, I was in love with anything Peru or Inca.

You will not be able to tell me something I didn't already know about the Incas

..

.

Well, I assume you could find nothing online, so here is that stone:





I found it while wandering around. trying to stay away from noisy tourists who were not able to see a wonder even when they stumbled upon it.

It was a native Peruvian (you can see some in the distance in the second photo) who explained it to me after I asked about it. Of course I don't know if it is a real depiction of a comet impacting on earth, but as far as I know no one else has made a photo of it.

[Abramelin]

The interesting thing is (and not known in 1991 when I took the photo), that it could actually be true:

Many of the chullpas at Sillustani show pre-Inca characteristics that were later redressed with Inca stone blocks. Similar chullpas are found throughout the entire south Central Andes with the above ground burial styles going back at least to mature Tiwanaku (ca AD 500-950)

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Sillustani


Dust Veil of AD 536
Cometary Impact, Volcanic Eruption or Near Miss?

http://archaeology.a...l-of-AD-536.htm

[Abramelin]

As I said before, many stones of Ollantaytambo have protuberances, used for their transport :



http://www.andrys.com/peru22.html

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

zoser, on 28 December 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

Slate?  Why are you looking into this?

I was wondering if the precisely cut rocks were less cut and more "smoothly fractured"., I remeber fossicking for fossils as a lad and we coupd crack open a rock with a few taps of a hammer and have a perfevtly smooth surface.

[kampz]

seeder, on 28 December 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

What a polite post, thanks!  But no need for Sir.  (master is fine tho!!)

My replies inline as cannot do the multiquote thingy, no idea why not!

Sir, you assume that other life exists in this Universe and in the way we are taught to think. You assume they didn't help us out at least just one day.

Right here I have to say, if we were not intelligent 'enough' to build stuff if and when they allegedly first came, why bother trying to teach us anything at all like building, why not teach a universal  alphabet? Medicine? Dentistry? PROPER EMBALMING Techniques like we have today, where people like Lenin still look fresh many years later? You know, teach usefull stuff?  The importance of world peace? The importance of pollution? But Oh no - they just helped us shift a few rocks then bugger off again?  barstrds, they come all that way and didnt teach us 'realy important stuff at all...

Why? What did that benefit them?

Ancient men had 'homes' stone or otherwise... the monuments were for worship of the kings or gods or whatever, and as today, look at a church, cathedral, mosque... they are all built 'different' to regular homes..

There doesn't have to be more life in the Universe. I've realized the whole probability theory means nothing. I did say I think that's wrong because most Humans think our race will live on for eternity and perhaps my bloodline will live on so I hope so but it doesn't have to work that way says history. That's fact.

No life forms will live for eternity, well maybe the microscopic ones that can adapt fast. Its an absoluteb certainty, one day - our sun dies, so too will all life. Unless microbes can adapt for space weather..

Concerning rocks, they're some real almost perfect stones and such out there which we can't figure out 100%.

Who is we? Zoser and forum junkies maybe?  Many established professional people who study them have their ideas.. no-one ever bothers looking into 'them' tho, they just watch youtube alien vids who say. 'say'...'we havent got a clue'.....they just cannot accept human ingenuity..remember necessity is the mother of invention...(think McGuiver!)

Using an Alien would easily explain this.

Yeh and it could explain 'everything else too'

Again I suggested to myself and everyone to explain what an Alien exactly is.

Ask the native american indians when they lost the lands to the illegal aliens!!

Especially the one helping humans. You're right that we can't know unless that person in Bangkok really does or the Government(s) knows already. To me it seemed like you stated that anything is possible but you didn't say that necessarily.

If aliens had come here with a sense of helping us,  then why has it taken us thousdans of years more... to become high tec?  For ex, we learned less than 100 years ago that doctors should wash their hands in hospitals to prevent the spread of infection, only 100 years ago that was figured, youd think the old aliens would have said to ancient man, with his fingernails full of poop...WASH YOUR HANDS!?

Who taught us antibiotics, penecilin? Antibacterial products?  Man did it, THE PESKY ALIENS THO, AND CLEARLY HIGH TECH ....JUST MOVED A FEW BOULDERS, HOW BLOODY RUDE OF THEM TO NOT SHARE STUFF THAT COULD HAVE MADE THIS A MUCH BETTER WORLD..

They will have been high tec....but they supposedly shared none of the tech, or medicinal knowledge, heck even diet advice  no they didnt give us anything that would save lives, cure disease, or know how to make a wheel...they just helped with rocks? Bloody waste of time them coming then eh? What a bloody waste on interstellar travel..

If you believe in other intelligent life existing in the Universe before or after(in this case before) the appearance of Humans then something like Ancient Aliens would easily explain what you wrote but the evidence for it isn't before us to examine I think or do you know something?

see above.

If you ask me I've been tossing around the idea of "manifested" Aliens or Super Humans like magicians moving blocks of stone with their brains which would just be deleted or of died after the objective was completed. I can't disprove it at this time. Apparently the Government says there's no other life in our Universe at this time.

the govt says that? Sure? Science done the maths and its cert I believe, law of odds or whatever

I can't disprove that. Why would they deny? Is it because the little Grey Alien wanted to make crop circles and rip apart farm animals? Is it because the Reptilian wanted to rape me and others in my sleep? That is if we remembered. I could of said yes. I'll never know. After making love they slap a probe in your ass or a metal rod in your body?

Yes and nowadays the probes are simply called dildos, and come in many different colors and sizes etc, the aliens passed that one on to us alright, and some folk couldnt get enough so made them ourselves! What a gift? Always waiting for when you need it!

Question? What can a probe pick up in someones ass? tempertature? Humidity? Aroma?

Why no xrays, ct scans or whatever they are called, brain scans, blood tests?  Why dont they weigh folk? Damed stupid aliens eh, even star trek had a tricorder idea,  but aliens?.... No - just 6 inches of love which they called probes...haha, pervs!

If you ask me the Men in Black are having sex with each other and you. In all seriousness, just "manifest" the thing in our bodies. What if Humans start expanding in the Universe?

Unfortunately by the time humans expand, so too will the universe have expanded, so may NEVER happen..

It would be neat to meet other intelligent species especially if we've both have always been advancing technology wise at the same rate for some reason. They also could just be super intelligent and extremely friendly. Maybe we will find them attractive? What if they're the same as us?


There could indeed be intelligent life in many places, but maybe they use their intelligence in other ways? Man has the desire to conquer, explore, travel.  We cant expect other life forms to have such human egos, can we?  Fish dont build a wheel, they dont think that way, and they are another lifeform.......

Dear Sir, you assume and I assume you assumed. Assumed.

You assume pollution exists forever even if Humans don't attempt to clean it up or guys like Grey Aliens. I would have to assume Grey Aliens exist.

If Humans can't imagine anything or can't build then what's the point? The guys better "teach" us if we can't build and when I say guys it's up to your interpretation unless some human knows. I can't be sure if that human who knows was born on the planet Earth. Hominids can't build if I assume they ever existed. Bones are bones. Are there reports from way back about hominids living aside us humans? I forgot. Sure they can instantly appear again for one minute in my opinion. I do assume they walked the Earth like we do.

How do you know 100% that they didn't teach us those things or program us too? Again when I say they it's open tp interpretation as far as I am concerned at the moment. You assume unless you know something you're not telling me.

Edited by kampz, 28 December 2012 - 11:55 AM.