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[psyche101]

nopeda, on 08 January 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

Some people might like to insult others for considering the possibility that xts have had influence on Earth, while at the same time not wanting to appear so shallow as to have faith that none have ever been here. That's pretty lowlife imo, but I don't doubt it goes on.

I think you will find much of what has been presented to you is not insult, your deliberate ignorance just kicks into self defence.

[Abramelin]

zoser, on 08 January 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Here is a more detailed description of the principle:

This is how the stones were moved.  This was how Ed L did it but the secret died with him.

Where the technology came from is unknown; probably the same place as the heat source to melt the blocks.

http://www.bibliotec...worldgrid08.htm

You don't know if that's how he did it, and you nor anyone else has demonstrated that sound could be used that way.

I know the story, even before many here on UM were born.

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Edited by Abramelin, 09 January 2013 - 03:12 AM.

[Abramelin]

zoser, on 08 January 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

Did Mr Wallington use blocks shaped like these?  Were they as heavy?   I've seen Wally's video so I know the answer btw:



They obviously must have used some exotic technology that we in the course of history have forgotten.

The answer is they used sound.  

http://www.abovetops...hread387614/pg1

No one has ever tried or experimented with it other than Ed Leedskalnin so we only have a description of the principle not the specifics.

Your posts do reveal that man hauling was definitely not the answer.

Wally Wallington demonstrated he could move objects weighing many tons SINGLE HANDEDLY.

Now try to imagine instead what thousands of people in a lot more time could accomplish using a similar technique.

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Edited by Abramelin, 09 January 2013 - 03:11 AM.

[Abramelin]

zoser, on 08 January 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

So are you refusing to have a drink with me?  What about this Dutch beer I've been waiting to sample?

That's not what I said.

And most Belgian and German beers taste better than most Dutch ones (not all, of course). Our most famous beer is Heineken, and that one I only drink when it is offered to me and out of politeness, not because I like it.

[Abramelin]

The statue's pedestal is the enormous Thunder Stone, claimed to be the largest stone ever moved by man (1,250 t). In its original state the stone weighed about 1500 tonnes. It was carved during transportation to its current site.

http://en.wikipedia....n#Thunder_Stone

No aliens, no advanced techniques, no magic.


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Edited by Abramelin, 09 January 2013 - 03:21 AM.

[Abramelin]

Abramelin, on 09 January 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

The statue's pedestal is the enormous Thunder Stone, claimed to be the largest stone ever moved by man (1,250 t). In its original state the stone weighed about 1500 tonnes. It was carved during transportation to its current site.

http://en.wikipedia....n#Thunder_Stone

No aliens, no advanced techniques, no magic.


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For the pedestal, an enormous boulder known as the Thunder Stone (Russian: Камень-Гром) was found at Lakhta, 6 km (3.7 mi) inland from the Gulf of Finland in 1768. The Thunder Stone gained its name from a local legend that thunder split a piece off the stone. Falconet wanted to work on shaping the stone in its original location, but Catherine ordered it be moved before being cut. As it was embedded to half its depth in the ground and the area was marshy terrain, the Russians had to develop new methods to dig up and transport the colossal stone. Marinos Carburis (Μαρίνος Χαρμπούρης), a Greek from the Island of Kefallonia and serving as lieutenant-colonel in the Russian Army, offered to undertake the project. Carburis had studied engineering in Vienna and is considered to be the first Greek to hold a diploma in engineering.

Carburis directed workmen to wait for winter, when the ground was frozen, and then had them drag the large stone over the frozen ground to the sea for shipment and transport to the city. He developed a metallic sledge that slid over bronze spheres about 13.5 cm (6 inches) in diameter, over a track. The process worked in a way similar to the later invention of ball bearings. Making the feat even more impressive was that the labour was done entirely by humans; no animals or machines were used in bringing the stone from the original site to the Senate Square. After Carburis devised the method, it took 400 men nine months to move the stone, during which time master stonecutters continuously shaped the enormous granite monolith. Catherine periodically visited the effort to oversee their progress. The larger capstans was turned by 32 men, this just barely moving the rock. A further complication was the availability of only 100 m of track, which had to be constantly disassembled and relaid. Nevertheless, the workers made over 150 m of progress a day while on level ground.

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The Thunder Stone is sometimes claimed to be the "largest stone ever moved by man". This stone was large and heavy; it was effectively moved 6 km (3.7 mi) overland to the Gulf of Finland by manpower alone; no animals or machines were used. Transported by barge up the Neva River, it reached St. Petersburg. The entire effort is considered an historic engineering feat.

http://en.wikipedia....Bronze_Horseman

[DONTEATUS]

Do you have any video`s of that Stone being moved ?

[Abramelin]

DONTEATUS, on 09 January 2013 - 04:05 AM, said:

Do you have any video`s of that Stone being moved ?

Sure. But videos from 1768.are of a bad quality, so I hope you'll believe the drawing.


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Edited by Abramelin, 09 January 2013 - 04:13 AM.

[DONTEATUS]

Abramelin, on 09 January 2013 - 04:13 AM, said:

Sure. But videos from 1768.are of a bad quality, so I hope you'll believe the drawing.


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I think theres some 1.5 mm hand chiseled Bed rock film around some where ? I`ll try to find it as soon as I can find the Keys to the Delorean !

[bmk1245]

Abramelin, on 08 January 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

Like I promised:

I said those protuberances could be used to attach ropes or for levers.

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Or, "protuberances" may carry a message, like quipu.

[Abramelin]

bmk1245, on 09 January 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

Or, "protuberances" may carry a message, like quipu.

I think it's no coincidence these protuberances are almost always near the bottom (or edge) of the stone. If the Incas did indeed move these stones using leverage, then that is where one expects these protuberances.


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Edited by Abramelin, 09 January 2013 - 08:28 AM.

[Abramelin]

Abramelin, on 30 December 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

Congenital hydrocephalus may happen because of:

* Bleeding in the fetus before birth.
* Certain infections in the mother, such as toxoplasmosis or syphilis.
* Other birth defects, like spina bifida.
* A genetic defect.

http://www.webmd.com...-topic-overview



How much does it happen in a normal population? Not that often. But in an isolated population where the chance at inbreeding is much higher, or intentional like many ruling families did, it will also show up much more.

OK, now suppose this inbreeding was intentional amongst leaders of certain tribes in Peru and Bolivia (and elsewhere), then forms of hydrocephalus may have been considered to be a sign of 'royalty' and thus became something other and healthy members of the tribe wanted for their children.

So then you get two types of elongated skulls: the very large ones who were the result of a treatment of hydrocephalus using binding, and the smaller ones (like in your post with the African examples) that resulted from binding healthy skulls.




Genetics of human hydrocephalus

Abstract

Human hydrocephalus is a common medical condition that is characterized by abnormalities in the flow or resorption of cerebrospinal fluid (CSF), resulting in ventricular dilatation. Human hydrocephalus can be classified into two clinical forms, congenital and acquired. Hydrocephalus is one of the complex and multifactorial neurological disorders.

A growing body of evidence indicates that genetic factors play a major role in the pathogenesis of hydrocephalus.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC1705504/

Inbreeding among Inca royalty:

During this period the Inca and their followers moved from village to village in search of enough fertile land to sustain themselves. Manco Capac succeeded in disposing of his three brothers. One of his sisters, Mama Ocllo, bore him a son named Sinchi Roca (Zinchi Roq’a). Eventually, the Inca arrived at the fertile area around Cuzco, where they attacked the local residents and drove them from the land.

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It is not clear whether or not Sinchi Roca married his sister, as his father had done.

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Yahuar Huacac’s principal wife was apparently an Ayarmaca, indicating that at that time sister marriage was not the rule.

http://www.britannic...he-Cuzco-Valley

Topa Inca Yupanqui’s unexpected death in about 1493 precipitated a struggle for the succession. It appears that Topa Inca Yupanqui had originally favoured the succession of Huayna Capac (Wayna Qhapaq), the youngest son of his principal wife and sister.

http://www.britannic...41/Huayna-Capac

Huayna Capac’s father had begun the custom of marrying a full sister in order to keep the royal bloodline pure and, more importantly, to prevent conflict over succession.

http://www.britannic...panish-conquest


And no doubt the Incas did what was already very common among many other tribes in the area.

[Harte]

the L, on 08 January 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

Okay I dont know how I skip it. I think it is time to focus on one thread for another.
This way I skip things.
I apologized if you find some of my posts insulting in any way.

Your posts are less insulting than mine, L!

Harte

[Harte]

nopeda, on 08 January 2013 - 11:46 PM, said:

I'm asking you to explain why anyone should put their faith in the possibility that it's impossible for beings from other star systems to travel to this one. If you can't do that, then you're not in any position to be critical of considering the possibility that they have, or even that they still do. Were you unaware of that?

I've never ruled out the possibility at all.  This is a perfect example of another one of your straw man arguments.

You have no argument at all against anything I've stated, so you make up something like that in order to attempt an argument.

Nopeda, how many stars are in the galaxy?  Do you have any understanding of probability at all?

I've never said there's no intelligent life out there.  Only an ignoramus would make such a claim.  However, given that there's no evidence for any ancient visitation (at all,) then it follows that postulating that there has been none is perfectly logical.  Not that I expect you to recognize this basic and absolutely undeniable fact.

Harte

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 09 January 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

The statue's pedestal is the enormous Thunder Stone, claimed to be the largest stone ever moved by man (1,250 t). In its original state the stone weighed about 1500 tonnes. It was carved during transportation to its current site.

http://en.wikipedia....n#Thunder_Stone

No aliens, no advanced techniques, no magic.


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Carburis directed workmen to wait for winter, when the ground was frozen, and then had them drag the large stone over the frozen ground to the sea for shipment and transport to the city. He developed a metallic sledge that slid over bronze spheres about 13.5 cm (6 inches) in diameter, over a track. The process worked in a way similar to the later invention of ball bearings.

1) Frozen ground required.

2) Bronze spheres

The ground to my knowledge never freezes hard in Peru.  The terrain is many times more difficult.

No evidence of bronze spheres used as ball bearings.

Unless the comparison is made on the exact terms and technology that we see in Peru then it's just another failure.

This means Aliens.

The one on the left is seeder.

Edited by zoser, 09 January 2013 - 05:09 PM.