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#4396    zoser

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:35 PM

View Postseeder, on 09 January 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

eh?  OK I haven't contributed much to the thread lately as its gotten very tedious, and issues we have already discussed are being regurgitated... so kindly direct me to your post - Ive clearly missed - ..where  "you gave the skeptics a good thrashing here with the melting evidence"

Post 4391 says it all my friend.

If you want the pictures re-posting I have them all saved .  Just ask.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:36 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 January 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

Show me where it freezes that severly near the ancient sites.  

Then prove that it froze at the time of the constructions.

We have it in writing that in Finland during the thunder stone project that it did.

Then show me how that would help when they are hauling up and down mountains.

Classic seeder ignorance.

If you really think that pasting some newspaper article is going to prove that the Peruvians slid blocks across ice, then well............words fail.

Now dont be calling me ignorant when you get proven wrong. And Ive not mentioned anything in regard to freezing temps helping stones get moved...Im quite satisfied with the traditional answers on how it was done.

The link was simply to show you - yet again... that when you make a classic zoser statement about something like, in this case the weather.. you haven't a clue, except you assume a lot. You assume it didn't freeze. You assume to know better... and what was the weather actually like.... all those years ago zoser?  Modern climates are not the same climates that existed in ancient times...

So my point is about the weather in Peru. I dont give a monkeys whether it fits any theories or fits any facts. Do you understand this point? I don't give a fig about how rocks were moved, and I really dont give a poop about your torturous struggle to try and figure out what leaned people already know.

ie: NO Aliens did anything.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:40 PM

View Postseeder, on 09 January 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

Now dont be calling me ignorant when you get proven wrong. And Ive not mentioned anything in regard to freezing temps helping stones get moved...Im quite satisfied with the traditional answers on how it was done.

The link was simply to show you - yet again... that when you make a classic zoser statement about something like, in this case the weather.. you haven't a clue, except you assume a lot. You assume it didn't freeze. You assume to know better... and what was the weather actually like.... all those years ago zoser?  Modern climates are not the same climates that existed in ancient times...

So my point is about the weather in Peru. I dont give a monkeys whether it fits any theories or fits any facts. Do you understand this point? I don't give a fig about how rocks were moved, and I really dont give a poop about your torturous struggle to try and figure out what leaned people already know.

ie: NO Aliens did anything.

Your a decent guy seeder that I'm sure.

The problem is that you were always too busy trying to discredit me with a quick trip to Google here and there and in doing so you missed the key pieces of evidence.

I'm still not sure if you have totally kept up with it all.

Most of your posts really have been irrelevant.   Trying to discredit me, Chris Dunn, Brien Foerster, Alfredo Gamarra, and sadly you have over played that card instead of looking at the issues.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:41 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 January 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

Definition of Ostrich....


Ok give me the defintion. And before you even 'think' of saying they bury their heads in sand...once again, thats a total myth

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:48 PM

View Postseeder, on 09 January 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

Ok give me the defintion. And before you even 'think' of saying they bury their heads in sand...once again, thats a total myth

Irrelevant side issues again seeder.  We've had our banter, and we've had out laughs but now it's time for you to pay the piper as they say.

These rocks were melted.  They could only have been melted with an intense high energy source that the ancients as classic archaeology knows them could not have possessed.

They were cut with lasers.  This alone was insufficient to ensure a high precision fit.  So then some heat source turned them into a clay like state such that the pressure and weight resulting from assembling them ensured an extremely high precision fit.

The shape and size mattered not because of this technology.  That's why Sacsayhuaman looks the way it does.  There was no need to make uniform cuboid blocks.

It all fits.

No pun intended.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:15 PM

Just a few quotations from Jan Peter de Jong's and Chris Jordon's report in case there still any dissenting voices:


The results strongly indicate that heat was used to produce the surface, which raises several
questions. Even if a layer of a ceramic paste was applied, how was the whole heated to the requisite
temperatures without cracking the limestone? It tends to shatter at these sorts of heats..........


The finish on the stone sample was not the thickest, shiniest or the glassiest of the examples.
However, its composition and morphology are the same as a ceramic glaze. This means that heat
was somehow applied to the stone. How the heat was applied is not clear. What is clear is that an
unknown technology has been used. To create ceramics on this scale, the heat production must
have been greater than the normal ceramic methods..........

After the analysis of the surface layer above, it is clear that
polishing alone will not produce the requisite heat needed to produce a ceramic glaze. This
eliminates polishing as a means of creation.............

Peruvian Alfredo Gamarra has identified vitrification on many stones and has argued that the
ancients had a technology to treat stone with heat and that the stone was soft at the moment of
construction. The comparison at the spectrum level with clay and ceramic pastes is interesting.
Ceramic pastes and clay are soft prior to being treated with heat.
Conventional geological understanding is not compatible with this idea. However, the impression
from the vitrified stonework is that the stone was once soft. In many of the stones, there are places
where it looks as if objects or molds were pressed into the stone. The perfect fitting stones in the
walls of Cusco and the other Inca vestiges could have been obtained more easily this way...........

Whilst it is possible that the ancients were capable of producing flat mirrors for the task, it does
seem overly complicated. This method could work for stones on the surface, but is clearly limited
in its use deep within a cave..........

On balance, it has to be admitted that a method is difficult to define. Further analysis of samples
from the various locations needs to be undertaken to confirm the use of heat in all of the sites.
However, the sample tested shows explicitly that the similarity to ceramic pastes is near certain. It
is obvious to conclude that heat was used.......as somehow applied to the stone. How the heat was applied is not clear. What is clear is that an
unknown technology has been used. To create ceramics on this scale, the heat production must
have been greater than the normal ceramic methods...........


http://www.ancient-m...ges_of_peru.pdf

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:18 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 January 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

Carburis directed workmen to wait for winter, when the ground was frozen, and then had them drag the large stone over the frozen ground to the sea for shipment and transport to the city. He developed a metallic sledge that slid over bronze spheres about 13.5 cm (6 inches) in diameter, over a track. The process worked in a way similar to the later invention of ball bearings.

1) Frozen ground required.

2) Bronze spheres

The ground to my knowledge never freezes hard in Peru.  The terrain is many times more difficult.

No evidence of bronze spheres used as ball bearings.

Unless the comparison is made on the exact terms and technology that we see in Peru then it's just another failure.

This means Aliens.

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(1) The ground was frozen solid, but it was a marsh. Ever walked on a frozen marsh? It is certainly NOT flat. And that 1500 tons weighing stone was half buried in the marsh.

(2) The Peruvians had plenty of round cobbles (you should see what lies at the bottom of their many wild rivers like the Urubamba or Ucayali). No need for bronze spheres: cobbles in every size and shape.

(3) They used only manpower, no animals, no machines, just brute force. Just like Garcilaso de la Vega describes.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:28 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 January 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

I'd much sooner shift a block over an ice sheet than I would up and down a mountainside.


So the aliens laser cut rocks and melted them into place.  yawn...

The HUGE question then is...why was Puma Punku abandoned before it got finished?

Did the aliens need to zip home suddenly?  (or maybe you know that it was allegedly abandoned because of sudden ice?) And what effect would all that ice have in compressing rocks?

Now I shall read your 'evidence of melting'.. you never know it may even elicit a response from me

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:34 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 January 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

Show me where it freezes that severly near the ancient sites.
Show me the 1500 ton stone they moved in Peru.

Pics are not evidence for vitrification.  You can make a rock look shiny with the right camera angle.  Plus, some rocks are shiny anyway.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:45 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:



Remember these ancients were supposed never to even have the wheel.



ok here we go again..

"The Incas never used the wheel in any practical manner. Its use in toys demonstrates that the principle was well-known to them, although it was not applied in their engineering. The lack of strong draft animals, as well as steep terrain and dense vegetation issues, may have rendered the wheel impractical.

source:

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Machu_Picchu

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:00 PM

THERES No disrespect givin in here Im sure of that,But on the Factual part of our Lifes, Theres not a shread of evidence anywhere That E.T has ever even been here,Muuch less Real Proof,other than Eye wittnesses and sightings. Ive Seen two! I believe in E.T. I also Know that E.T didnt Build any Stone agged Piles of Rocks !
They are way smarter than that ! They would of Left us some real Proof !
Like We did on the Moon,Mars, other planets we have actually left Our Hardware on !

This is a Work in Progress!

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:04 PM

View Postseeder, on 09 January 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:



So the aliens laser cut rocks and melted them into place.  yawn...

The HUGE question then is...why was Puma Punku abandoned before it got finished?

Did the aliens need to zip home suddenly?  (or maybe you know that it was allegedly abandoned because of sudden ice?) And what effect would all that ice have in compressing rocks?

Now I shall read your 'evidence of melting'.. you never know it may even elicit a response from me

Your evidence that PP was abandoned before completion is where?

How about it was destroyed by some cataclysm?

Much more likely scenario since fractured fragments are strewn across a very wide area.

Check it out and think it through.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:05 PM

heres a nice snippet:

"When the Incans arrived at Pumapunku the site had already been abandoned for at least 100 years.[38] Admitting that there was a pre-Incan culture at all, let alone one with more skill than them, would have been detrimental to the whole scheme.

So they slightly modified their already existing mythology to include Pumapunku. So, instead of Virachoca creating the Incan capital, he also created Pumapunku. Just like that the Incans were still the oldest and greatest civilization, even though everyone probably knew it wasn’t true.

Finally, Ancient Aliens says the following about what the ancient local people believed regarding who constructed Pumapunku:

AA: “Local legend suggests that Tianaka was built as a site of religious pilgrimage to celebrate the arrival of sky gods.”
This is a total lie. Viracocha came from the sea not the sky. This is a very sneaky move by Ancient Aliens in my opinion.

http://ancientaliens...pts/puma-punku/

Viracocha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viracocha



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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:06 PM

View PostHarte, on 09 January 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:

Show me the 1500 ton stone they moved in Peru.

Pics are not evidence for vitrification.  You can make a rock look shiny with the right camera angle.  Plus, some rocks are shiny anyway.

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And I hope I did make it clear to all: all you need to make a rock shiny is have microbes and lichen grow on it.

But to increase the speed of that process you need some plant/herb with a sh1tload of oxalates in its leaves.

Maybe all I posted is nonsense, true, but at least I backed it up with accounts from people traveling through the Amazon jungle.

And that's Hiram Bingham and Percy Fawcett.

Ivan Sanderson claimed to know what plant it was, but he said he forgot its name. But it must be a well-known plant, and you can buy it in every florist shop according to him.

Then we have a Davidovits who used a brewage made from several plant juices, and was able to mold stone, just like the Huanka did.

Then we have that Peruvian friar/priest (I keep forgetting his name) who experimented with plants, and got similar results.

Although I don't agree with Davidovits when he says that the ancient Egyptians used molded stones to build their pyramids, I still think that part of his theory can be applied to the way the Incas built their structures.

If 'only' the surface of their blocks was chemically altered (= softened), then we have a non-alien explanation of how it could have been done.


And I haven't seen anything from Zoser that comes even close to explaining why it must have been aliens. Well, aside from posting some statues.


"I don't know how it was done, we're not sure how to do it right now, so it must be aliens."


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:07 PM

View PostHarte, on 09 January 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:


Show me the 1500 ton stone they moved in Peru.

Pics are not evidence for vitrification.  You can make a rock look shiny with the right camera angle.  Plus, some rocks are shiny anyway.

Harte

If pictures are not enough then read the report in post 4401.

The evidence takes many different forms depending on one's preference.

Either way pictures or report the proof is there.

Evade it all you like if it be your wish.

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