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#4411    zoser

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:11 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 09 January 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:



And I hope I did make it clear to all: all you need to make a rock shiny is have microbes and lichen grow on it.

But to increase the speed of that process you need some plant/herb with a sh1tload of oxalates in its leaves.

Maybe all I posted is nonsense, true, but at least I backed it up with accounts from people traveling through the Amazon.

And that's Hiram Bingham and Percy Fawcett.

Ivan Sanderson claimed to know what plant it was, but he said he forgot its name. But it must be a well-known plant, and you can buy it in every florist shop according to him.

Then we have a Davidovits who used a brewage made from several plant juices, and was able to mold stone, just like the Huanka did.

Although I don't agree with him when he says that the ancient Egyptians used molded stones to build their pyramids, I still think that part of his theory can be applied to the way the Incas built their structures.

If 'only' the surface of their blocks was chemically altered (= softened), then we have a non-alien explanation of how it could have been done.


And I haven't seen anything from Zoser that comes even close to explaining why it must have been aliens. Well, aside from posting some statues.


"I don't know how it was done, we're not sure how to do it right now, so it must be aliens."

The answer to your question is that analysis reveals heat.  Read the report in 4401.

The conclusions and implications are obvious.

No running away from this one Abe.

If you can prove the conclusions of the report wrong then you have a case.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:15 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 January 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

Your evidence that PP was abandoned before completion is where?

Do you mean to tell me zoser, that you didnt know it was unfinished and abandoned? OMG...theres you spouting all your theories...yet you cannot answer if it was finished or not. SURELY you know this answer with all the research youve done?

Go look it up...Im a bit busy entertaining 2 Mexican midget strippers

How about it was destroyed by some cataclysm?

Smartest thing you said so far...could that be a cataclysm involving heat or ice?

And why if the aliens were there...didnt they see a change in the weather coming?

Much more likely scenario since fractured fragments are strewn across a very wide area.

Now youre getting warmer zoser...


Edited by seeder, 09 January 2013 - 09:19 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:26 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 January 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:



The conclusions and implications are obvious.



Outrageous you mean

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:26 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 09 January 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

And I hope I did make it clear to all: all you need to make a rock shiny is have microbes and lichen grow on it.
Clear as a bell, Abe.

Also, earlier in the thread much was made of "vitrified" stone inside caves.

I've been in a dozen or so caves.  I've never been in an actual cave that didn't have mostly shiny stone in it, as the stone is usually deposited from solution.  Think stalactites (though other types of formations happen the same way.)  Ever seen a stalactite that wasn't shiny?

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:26 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 January 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

The answer to your question is that analysis reveals heat.  Read the report in 4401.

The conclusions and implications are obvious.

No running away from this one Abe.

If you can prove the conclusions of the report wrong then you have a case.

No, it DOESN'T reveal heat.

It proves vitrification took place, but it does not prove extreme heat as a cause,


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

View PostHarte, on 09 January 2013 - 09:26 PM, said:

Clear as a bell, Abe.

Also, earlier in the thread much was made of "vitrified" stone inside caves.

I've been in a dozen or so caves.  I've never been in an actual cave that didn't have mostly shiny stone in it, as the stone is usually deposited from solution.  Think stalactites (though other types of formations happen the same way.)  Ever seen a stalactite that wasn't shiny?

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we think along the same lines... I considered this one too, much more likely :tu:

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 January 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

If pictures are not enough then read the report in post 4401.

The evidence takes many different forms depending on one's preference.

Either way pictures or report the proof is there.

Evade it all you like if it be your wish.
Read the "report" when you posted it before.  It says this:

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The vitrified examples under study for this paper

come from famous Peruvian sites, considered to

belong to the Incas, in South America. To the author's

knowledge, there have been no scientific tests made

on these stones. This has left the debate open to claims

of unusual polishing techniques, natural degradation,

lava flows and many other odd explanations. The

analysis below eliminates some of these ideas.


This is the "report" where the authors make the above statement, yet afterward refer to every example as vitrified.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:34 PM

View PostHarte, on 09 January 2013 - 09:26 PM, said:

Clear as a bell, Abe.

Also, earlier in the thread much was made of "vitrified" stone inside caves.

I've been in a dozen or so caves.  I've never been in an actual cave that didn't have mostly shiny stone in it, as the stone is usually deposited from solution.  Think stalactites (though other types of formations happen the same way.)  Ever seen a stalactite that wasn't shiny?

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And I have walked through train tunnels on the Inca Trail on my way to Machu Picchu..

Some of us used their flash lights when inside those tunnels, and it was like they were pointing their flash lights at a mirror.

And I am quite sure those train tunnels were not built by aliens.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:45 PM

what kills this entire theory of zosers...is why PP was abandoned... couldnt the pesky aliens see an environmental disaster coming?

Anyway...heres a snippet to read

"At its peak, 400,000 people lived in and around the Tiwanaku site, centering around Pumapunku and other important structures. Trade and farming flourished. Farming was done on raised fields with irrigation systems in between them. Decades of drought struck around 1000 AD, and the city of Tiwanaku was abandoned, and its people and culture dissolved into the surrounding mountains. Five centuries later, the Inca Culture developed.

"All around the world are examples of stonemasonry from the period that is equally impressive. The Greek Parthenon, for example, was built a thousand years before Pumapunku, and yet nobody invokes aliens as the only explanation for its great beauty and decorative detailing that more than rivals Pumapunku's angles and cuts.

At about the same time, the Persians constructed Persepolis with its superlative Palace of Darius, featuring details that are highly comparable to Pumapunku.

Stonemasons in India cut the Udayagiri Caves with megalithic doorways that are very similar to those in Pumapunku. The Tiwanaku did magnificent work, but by no means was it inexplicably superior to what can be found throughout the ancient world. It is unnecessary to invoke aliens to explain the structures.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4202





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Edited by seeder, 09 January 2013 - 09:48 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:52 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 January 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

The answer to your question is that analysis reveals heat.  Read the report in 4401.

The conclusions and implications are obvious.

No running away from this one Abe.

If you can prove the conclusions of the report wrong then you have a case.

You mean de jong's interpretation of the report, a report which was in itself inconclusive.

BTW, did you know curing plaster of paris generates an ectothermic chemical reaction hot enough to produce third degree burns?

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:55 PM

this is still going on?

I gave up ages ago on this one.. zoser will never change his mind.. even if aliens landed and turned around and said 'no we did not make it or help make it' his reply would be.. well you were not the aliens that helped then..


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:26 PM

View Postzoser, on 09 January 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

It means that the school text books have to be re-written and Darwin thrown in the trash can.

Some can handle that and some can't.
The existence of aliens and/or a pre-Sumerian culture would result in Darwin being thrown in the trash?
How so?
Firstly, the theory of evolution has moved on from Darwin's original ideas, that's like saying "string theory means throwing Newton into the trash", it makes little sense and no reference at all to the fact ideas evolve (pardon the pun) and grow.
Secondly, how does life on other worlds disprove Darwinian evolution?
Thirdly, humans exists roughly as human (ie as smart and as physically capable) as we are now for about 200,000 years. For 50,000 to 100,000 of those years we were picking our noses and living in caves according to the mainstream theory. Look at what we've achieved culturally and societally in that time. Now imagine a culture that didn't end up at war with equally skilled neighbours, didn't go through 500 years of cultural stasis (give or take the odd printing press), various plagues etc etc - imagine what they'd be capable of in a thousand years, it's a paltry part of that unknown period, but more then enough time (looking at Rome) for them to rise from dirty farming, to city state standards.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:35 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 09 January 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

Secondly, how does life on other worlds disprove Darwinian evolution?


BOOM - what a cracker!!   :tu:

wherever there's life...there has to be a food chain!

thankfully tho - natural selection will take care of the zosers in the world!

:w00t: :w00t:

Edited by seeder, 09 January 2013 - 10:35 PM.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:16 AM

posting this as a reminder to self... bed time now

glacial polishing....with shiny rock pics

http://www.physicalg...ntals/10af.html

Edited by seeder, 10 January 2013 - 01:18 AM.

It wasn’t the miners who got rich; it was the people selling picks and shovels. Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored
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“It's easier to fool people - than to convince them that they have been fooled.”  Mark Twain

"The tragedy of life is not that it ends so soon, but that we wait so long to begin it"

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:10 AM

View Postseeder, on 09 January 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

BOOM - what a cracker!!   :tu:

wherever there's life...there has to be a food chain!

thankfully tho - natural selection will take care of the zosers in the world!

:w00t: :w00t:

THats a Fact  for sure seeder ! Good on you ! :alien: :no:

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