The tribe of ancients that built Puma Punku was the Aymara. Here are their ancestors, 2000 (conservatively) years developed from what they were back then:
Master Builders par excellence.
Your post seems to infer that the ancestors of the people in the pictures couldn't possibly have accomplished the great feats we are debating here.
If that's the case I find that deplorable.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:01 PM
zoser, on 03 December 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:
So has the copper tube idea been abandoned then? Instead a quick trip to Wall Mart for a hole cutter?
These are actually designed for wood; they may struggle a bit with red granite. Also it's no good Wall Mart picking a hardened steel tool, it would have had to have been copper.
You claimed something to the effect that if a tube wasn't perfectly circular it couldn't cut a perfectly round hole. That flat bit proves that it doesn't matter what shape the bit is (round, flat, square, triangular, oval...) it will always make a round hole. You can deflect all you want but the point remains uncontested.
"You want to discuss plausibility then you have to accept reality." -Mattshark
"Don't argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience." -Obviousman
You know... the plural of ``anecdote'' is not ``data''. Similarly, the plural of ``random fact'' is not ``mystical symbolism''. -sepulchrave
I do hope you are genuine and willing to stick by your word.
Method for defeating gravity? He admitted it was simple leverage, and yes, the same principals have been used on many ancient Monolithic sites. That is a pretty dramatic way of putting it.
I beg your pardon. How on earth did you come to that conclusion? I see no evidence for such a wild assumption.
You doubt? You do not think a hunter gatherer one day went "Screw this. I am sick of chasing these mongrel things. I am going to pen a few up so I can find them easy". Or did a wife one time throw out the leftovers and notice the seeds propagated? Leading her to think "Hey, this is the go, bugger traipsing the countryside if I can get what I want right here, I am going to drop more seeds".
Diamond is used to cut diamond. What is your objection to sand cutting sand? You have seen the tools what remains do you expect? I showed you a roman power tool, I do not think I ever received a response, what would you even expect from that other than plans?
I'd like to see you discuss a subject if that is the case. Unless I am mistaken I have left a lengthy response on this subject before, which I believe you never responded to. I understand such is purely voluntary, however if you truly do wish to discuss the subject with common sense, I would have expected you to have responded to that post. If you do have something genuine that remains an enigma with regards to this particular subject I urge you to share your discovery. And in the interests of common sense, I suspect that you would be willing to hear as many sound possibilites as do exist.
With all due respect sir, your position is utterly dependent upon "maybe", "perhaps", "it is possible", and similar terms.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda is never a compelling argument on subjects like this, so my apologies for not having responded to any previous posts of yours in detail.
The old man in Homestead had 1 tripod with some chain and pulleys, and a curious box at the apex. Imagine how big the tripod must have been to build the great pyramid. What is that little black box at the apex?
Why did they find no tools or implements at Puma Punko? There are so many "why" questions, and the answers offered by you are not convincing IMO. Maybe you're right, but at this point in my analysis, it's not persuasive at all.
You know, as convincing an argument as "look at the descendants of the people who built it today..." is, I have to point out that prior to the renaissance, the descendants of the people who built the Colosseum, the Aquaducts et al were living in thatch huts farming dung (note: this is hyperbole, you had to be very upmarket to be a dung farmer, not just any Tom, Dick or Harry),
Lets use the Great Pyramid as an example. For some time there was no evidence of work crews or ramps that could be tied in with the Great Pyramid so the AA supporters proclaimed "It had to be aliens, there is no evidence humans did it." Now we have the evidence of the work camps that would have housed thousands and the remains of a ramp on the south side of the pyramid, neither of which would have been necessary for aliens to have built the pyramid.
How did you find out it wouldn't be necessary for aliens? Even if it wasn't necessary, how do you know that's not how they did it anyway for reasons of their own?
What could God be other than an alien if he exists? How about exactly as he is depicted in the Bible; A giant machine; The Earth itself? I can come up with examples, can you or is your mind too closed?
If God exists with all the things he is supposedly able to do, it would put him well above the most advanced race there could be so he wouldn't be an alien as you have referred to. If God created the Earth, how is he an alien to it? He would be no more of an alien to the Earth than you would be to a house or structure you built.
So far, much as you wish, you've been able to suggest nothing else he could be other than an alien. You need to say:
1. how he could be native to a planet he created.
2. how you could have built the place you were born in.
Until you can answer both you still have nothing but a strong wish of some sort.
The Perry Reese map has never been debunked but the Piri Reis map has.
Are you saying they're two different maps or two different ways of spelling the same thing, or don't you know? How are you claiming either or both have been debunked and what are you claiming is the truth?
Wearer of Hats, on 29 November 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:
I'm referring to some of the well known abilities of "xts" craft, such as stopping on a dime, right angle turns without shedding velocity etc - all of which are impossible under the laws of phsyics.
. . .
It involves a plank of wood, some string and huge plots of land. If my nieghbour was walking on his garden at midnight I'd not hear that.
You don't know whether the abilities you mentioned are impossible or not, and have no way to find out. You also don't seem to have a realistic appreciation for the complexity of most if not all crop circles.
That pares our decision tree down to two mutually opposing prospects, one rooted in logic and factual evidence, the other in supposition.
I know which one I'm going with.
So you're going with they were plastered over, carved over, and all the plaster fell out resulting in that group of carvings all looking like different types of air vehicles. In order to ease some of the inner discomfort you have from putting your faith in such an incredibly astounding coincidence IF that's what happened (though by all appearance that is NOT what happened), you're trying to ease the feeling a bit by pretending you can't see how any of the other carvings could resemble any sorts of air vehicles. It's pathetic really, from my pov.