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#7036    seeder

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 04:57 PM

"The King's Chamber is entirely faced with granite. Above the roof, which is formed of nine slabs of stone weighing in total about 400 tons, are five compartments known as Relieving Chambers. The first four, like the King's Chamber, have flat roofs formed by the floor of the chamber above, but the final chamber has a pointed roof.

Vyse suspected the presence of upper chambers when he found that he could push a long reed through a crack in the ceiling of the first chamber. From lower to upper, the chambers are known as "Davison's Chamber", "Wellington's Chamber", "Nelson's Chamber", "Lady Arbuthnot's Chamber", and "Campbell's Chamber".

It is believed that the compartments were intended to safeguard the King's Chamber from the possibility of a roof collapsing under the weight of stone above the Chamber. As the chambers were not intended to be seen, they were not finished in any way and a few of the stones still retain mason's marks painted on them. One of the stones in Campbell's Chamber bears a mark, apparently the name of a work gang, which incorporates the only reference in the pyramid to Pharaoh Khufu.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 04:57 PM

View PostDingoLingo, on 14 February 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

soot from lamps and torches.. if it was from power arcing it would be even more random in pattern then smoke stains from torches.. power arcs do not run in a straight line..

When I replaced my service panel a couple of months ago, I disassembled a subpanel (for fun) and found evidence that someone had attempted to remove a circuit breaker with a screwdriver while the panel was live. There were two scorch marks for where it arced. I guess the second one happened when he let go of the screwdriver after the first kapow surprised them. The scorch marks are not in straight lines. They simply followed the conductor.

However... zoser now has a proven method of conducting electricity without wires! :w00t:


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:16 PM

View Postzoser, on 14 February 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

The granite isn't going to crack from external shocks.  It's isolated.



One more for your benefit zoser, heck the following info is everywhere if YOU search for it:

"Huge stone support beams inside the Great Pyramid at Giza cracked when the pyramid was nearing completion 4,500 years ago, an Egyptologist from the C.W. Post Campus of Long Island University has reported, resolving a century-old mystery about when and why the cracks occurred.

C.W. Post Senior Research Fellow Bob Brier, French architect Jean-Pierre Houdin and a team of software specialists at Dassault Systems in Paris determined the cause and timing of the cracks using 3-D modeling software that measures stresses in buildings, cars and airliners. The team found that the cracks occurred when three things happened: one wall of King Khufu’s burial chamber settled about an inch and a half; stone rafters in a room high above the burial chamber slipped by about half an inch, and the height of the pyramid reached 119 meters or 392 feet.

The team concluded that the pyramid’s architect, Hemienu -- alarmed that the cracks imperiled the whole structure – cut a tunnel into a sealed space above the burial chamber to assess the damage, and filled the cracks with plaster as a “tell-tale” that would indicate if they were widening. Presumably to Hemienu’s great relief, the beams held and the pyramid was completed.
Brier and Houdin will present their findings at the Microsoft Innovation Management Forum in Redmond, Wash. on Oct. 21, 2008.
The existence of the cracks in the burial chamber beams has been known since the 1880s, but the team is the first to determine what caused them and when. While conducting field work at the pyramid in 2008, Brier achieved another first: He found and photographed a room high in the pyramid which had never been noted before.

http://www.liu.edu/C...ease-Oct21-2008

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some mystery the cracks turn out to be... Dunn and co need to get up to date. Nah cancel that, their books wont be exciting then and BANG goes another of their screwball theories



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:40 PM

View Postzoser, on 14 February 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

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I see the boys are in the main resorting to protest and flippancy.  That suggests to me that the evidence for the tomb theory is weak and that the logistics of the generator principle are undeniable.

I can't vouch for the others but I intended it more as a gesture of contempt for the so-called "evidence" and the theory in general. An observant fellow such as yourself might chance to notice there's always a valid criticism accompanying such comments from me.


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No banal explanation can account for why the horizonatal beams have been left unfinished as if pieces were hewn out of them while the granite above them is smooth and perfect.  A good analogy is removing metal from bells when tuning them.

These were the tuning beams.  How can Egyptologists explain this otherwise?  They cannot.

That word banal again. Obviously if banal explanations can be made then they can in fact explain it. Simple logic. But again they aren't "interesting." One would think there were a dozen better ways to accomplish this "tuning" than by laboriously hacking a bunch of random holes and grooves in it.


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Heat cracks?  How could seismic activity have done this with a partially isolated granite stack.  Why isn't there other evidence of cracks and damage all though the pyramid?  How can Egptologists explain this otherwise:  they cannot.

What's that 10th word there in the second sentence? begins with a P.

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Think about it:  any external shock would only vibrate the granite.  The damage had to have come from within.  

As noted, it's not completely isolated. The GP has experienced at least one major earthquake severe enough to reportedly knock of some of the casing blocks. Any direct tranmission of vibration in that event is actually a bad thing and there is such a thing as too much vibration. This is especially true if the chamber is in fact tuned to a low frequency. low-amplitude vibration. However you slice it, the chamber is still made of free-stacked peices. Vibrate them enough and they'll start to come apart. Any material also has an upper stress limit. This is where I throw your example of shattering wine glasses back at you. That's what happens when you match the resonant frequency of a structural material.



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Even in this photo it can be seen that the walls and granite box no longer display the natural rose colour.  This despite cleaning of soot deposits:

A thousand years of crap and corruption. You really think that's going to come off with a scrub brush? Oh, and why is just the coffer a different color?

Frankly, I'm not seeing anything that looks like burn marks, just more speculation without confirmation.

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According to one expert who has surveyed the chamber with high-tech sensors, it has its own distinct foundations going all the way down to the ground, entirely separate from the rest of the pyramid's stonework. In effect, this means that the chamber can vibrate without any interference from the rest of the building.

If that's the case, he's the only one that's found it. Whether it exists or not, that to me just points to more engineering to redirect stress away from the chamber.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:03 PM

View Postscowl, on 14 February 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

When I replaced my service panel a couple of months ago, I disassembled a subpanel (for fun) and found evidence that someone had attempted to remove a circuit breaker with a screwdriver while the panel was live.

What crap!

Obviously, your walls were designed to generate electricity through vibrations in the gypsum crystals in your wallboard.  No doubt these vibrations arise from all the semi trucks driving by your house each day, along with the natural vibrations of the Earth (7.8 Hz, remember?)  The system eventually shorted out, leaving the arc marks you mention, which explains why you are now connected to the electrical utility.

So don't try to bullsheet us anymore.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:49 PM

View PostHarte, on 14 February 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

What crap!

Obviously, your walls were designed to generate electricity through vibrations in the gypsum crystals in your wallboard.

Unfortunately my old walls are plaster on wood lath so they generate no electricity like modern drywall. Maybe I should replace them!

I hate to drag things slightly closer to topic but what's the general view in academic circles of some of the blocks in pyramids being cast concrete? As zoser has proved, the Internet is not a good place to find good information about pyramids. I found one news article supporting the idea and one refutation of it that said it was impossible because they didn't have the materials to make portland cement (but they didn't mention that it hadn't been invented yet!).

It seems like if they knew how to make quicklime (and slaking it would have been helpful), they could have made extremely hard concrete. It wouldn't have been weather-resistant like modern portland cement concrete but that wouldn't have been a problem inside a pyramid. I know they used a kind of mortar inside the pyramids but it sounds more like gypsum slop that simply dried instead of hardened like a cement would.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:00 PM

View Postscowl, on 14 February 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Unfortunately my old walls are plaster on wood lath so they generate no electricity like modern drywall. Maybe I should replace them!

I hate to drag things slightly closer to topic but what's the general view in academic circles of some of the blocks in pyramids being cast concrete? As zoser has proved, the Internet is not a good place to find good information about pyramids. I found one news article supporting the idea and one refutation of it that said it was impossible because they didn't have the materials to make portland cement (but they didn't mention that it hadn't been invented yet!).

It seems like if they knew how to make quicklime (and slaking it would have been helpful), they could have made extremely hard concrete. It wouldn't have been weather-resistant like modern portland cement concrete but that wouldn't have been a problem inside a pyramid. I know they used a kind of mortar inside the pyramids but it sounds more like gypsum slop that simply dried instead of hardened like a cement would.

This is what that woman Morris suggested. Another reason I was hesitant to bring her up, she has some great ideas, as most theorists do, but it seems some cannot appreciate what ancient man could achieve. Molds would suggest identical sized blocks right? But are they?

http://en.wikipedia....rete_hypothesis

but of course we do have evidence of the quarries.. and chisel scarred rocks, or pounded rocks



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:10 PM

View Postseeder, on 14 February 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

This is what that woman Morris suggested. Another reason I was hesitant to bring her up, she has some great ideas, as most theorists do, but it seems some cannot appreciate what ancient man could achieve. Molds would suggest identical sized blocks right? But are they?

http://en.wikipedia....rete_hypothesis

but of course we do have evidence of the quarries.. and chisel scarred rocks, or pounded rocks.

That's the thing.  We know they dragged whole stones up the pyramids because we can see where they were cut out of the quarries,

Also, why would they use cement?  It actually increases the amount of work required - not decreasing it.  And, how could you pour them on top of each other and leave mortar in between and no bottom to the forms?  And, one would expect more uniform size among the stones if forms were used.  Also, the GP gets out of level going up and we can see where they leveled it about every 10 or 12 "steps" up (IIRC.)  How does this conform with concrete?

The idea is nice, but it simply doesn't fit the evidence at all.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:30 PM

View Postseeder, on 14 February 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

Not really, if you have a larger area to bridge with beams, then continue building the mid upwards thereafter, there's a great deal of weight for the beams to handle. If they had an internal flaw, they could crack, if the weight above was too much, they can crack, you just look at a crack..haha like its a mystery. Good heavens, a crack in thousands of years of load bearing beams is a mystery?.....anyway....

Now zoser, if you search for answers to your questions instead of just pasting them here like its some sort of mystery, you can find info like this:

"But the granite beams are cracked - faults that Mr. Spencer said had traditionally been put down to earthquake activity long after the pyramid was completed. Mr. Dormion argues instead that "this accident occurred during the building of the pyramid, in the sight and to the knowledge of the builders".

He points to traces of 4,500-year-old plaster in the cracks - evidence, he believes, of attempts to shore up the roof. "At the end of the day," Mr. Dormion writes, "the entire problem of the Great Pyramid can be summed up by this theory: Khufu had three funeral chambers built for himself. The first remained unfinished, the second was available and the third cracked. Khufu was therefore interred in the second."

also of great interest is:

"They did discover some abnormalities and obtained authorization from the Supreme Council of Antiquities to drill a series of minute holes into the west wall of the Queen's Chamber. The project, testing the theory of a hidden chamber behind the west wall, revealed a large cavity filled with unusually fine sand. Apparently these and some other studies were responsible for the estimated number of blocks used to build the Great Pyramid being drastically reduced. It is now believed that the cavities could total 15 to 20 percent of the structure.

(ah the old builders bodge trick of using a filler. seeder)

Somewhat widely reported in the news of late, a French team consisting of Dormion and Jean-Yves Verd'hurt claim that a fourth, undiscovered room lies underneath the pyramid's so-called Queen's Chamber and insist that it is likely the burial chamber for the Egyptian Pharaoh, also known as Cheops, even though a damaged sarcophagus was found in the upper chamber known as the King's Chamber. They believe that, were this room to be discovered, it would perhaps never have been violated, and would probably contain the king's remains.To their credit, they have been working in the pyramids of Egypt for 20 years, and their radar analyses in another pyramid, at Meidum, led in 2000 to the discovery of two previously undetected rooms.

Aha - so these two with 20 years hands on research with authorization from the authorities....and who discovered two previously undetected rooms seem to know a thing or two dont they?

Some people here not intimidated by pages of text with NO VIDS, might enjoy reading

http://www.touregypt...midchambers.htm




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Nice piece of info there mate, I like and will file it for future use :tsu:

View PostHarte, on 14 February 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

Which is why he was on my ignore list for a year or so.

It was pure charity associated with the Christmas season that motivated me to clear out my ignore list (except for one poster, who shall remain nameless but his intitials are the same as the state immediately south of North Carolina.)

Zoser will probably go back on it, if only to facilitate me keeping up with threads like these.  Hard to do when you have to wade through an ocean of crap like his to find a point made by some of you others.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:46 PM

View Postzoser, on 14 February 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

I see you glossed over the arcing consistent with the slots.

Difficult to face I know; it all depends what you want.

Does not look like arcing, looks like residue.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:03 PM

View Postzoser, on 14 February 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Nothings been said that is directly relevant to the facts that's why.

Yes it has, you have simply dismissed it. Your motto is if you do not understand it, it did not happen. However, we are in the real world.

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Everyone seems intent on flippancy, sarcasm, complaint, character attacks (authors, researchers), yet no one has approached the main issues.

Because the issues have been adressed, and carefully explained to you. All you have done is said you do not believe the facts and time honored methods placed before you. This is like when you tried to tell me Buzz Aldrin saw an Alien on his way to the moon, but Buzz himself said the line you posted was a lie and taken out of context to appear something it is not, and that he asked the TV show to fix it, and that they refused. You had to have known all this because it was right here ina popular thread  but you posted it anyway. This is all you are doing here, someone brilliant like Harte cold build you a time machine, take you back, show you humans making these structures and you would still refuse to accept it. There simply is no discussion with you, and that is why you avoid me, because I have no patience and tear down your stupid claims in one post. You do not want to discuss, you want people to think your right. It seems that such is not going to happen just is not going to sink in. You need a blog where nobody disagrees with you. Discussion is not something you do. You present evidence, when it is torn apart, you simply insist it is correct and recommend peep throw away their textbooks. It's nothing short of a joke, as is your power producing granite. Most ridiculous thing you have spouted yet possible.

But I would pay money to watch you tell Buzz he saw an alien spaceship on the way to the moon, and  would pay travel as well to see it. Considering his conversation with that loon Sibrel, it would be worth filming.

People are flippant because the answer has been provided multiple times. You keep trying to make the same argument, and you keep failing to provide reasonable, nay, any evidence, and not only failing, but miserably. It would be OK if it was not deliberate, but the repetitiveness shows it is. You have no plans to discuss the situation, you have only a direction to say you are right and you want smart people to say Aliens built megalithic structures. I honestly do not know why you think that will happen. Perhaps you are trying to drive people crazy with repeating yourself endlessly with the same nonsense and hoping they will agree just to shut you up? Is that it?
As long as you assault logic and make up your own facts, you will have opposition from people who can think.

View Postzoser, on 14 February 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

It's all there in the stone.  No persuasion or clever argument needed.

That is the case, just your perspective is deliberately skewed. And Oniomancer, Harte, Seeder, S2F all have proven it to you with far better evidence that your imaginative musings could ever hope to so much as come close to.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:03 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 14 February 2013 - 11:03 PM, said:

Yes it has, you have simply dismissed it. Your motto is if you do not understand it, it did not happen. However, we are in the real world.



Because the issues have been adressed, and carefully explained to you. All you have done is said you do not believe the facts and time honored methods placed before you. This is like when you tried to tell me Buzz Aldrin saw an Alien on his way to the moon, but Buzz himself said the line you posted was a lie and taken out of context to appear something it is not, and that he asked the TV show to fix it, and that they refused. You had to have known all this because it was right here ina popular thread  but you posted it anyway. This is all you are doing here, someone brilliant like Harte cold build you a time machine, take you back, show you humans making these structures and you would still refuse to accept it. There simply is no discussion with you, and that is why you avoid me, because I have no patience and tear down your stupid claims in one post. You do not want to discuss, you want people to think your right. It seems that such is not going to happen just is not going to sink in. You need a blog where nobody disagrees with you. Discussion is not something you do. You present evidence, when it is torn apart, you simply insist it is correct and recommend peep throw away their textbooks. It's nothing short of a joke, as is your power producing granite. Most ridiculous thing you have spouted yet possible.

But I would pay money to watch you tell Buzz he saw an alien spaceship on the way to the moon, and  would pay travel as well to see it. Considering his conversation with that loon Sibrel, it would be worth filming.

People are flippant because the answer has been provided multiple times. You keep trying to make the same argument, and you keep failing to provide reasonable, nay, any evidence, and not only failing, but miserably. It would be OK if it was not deliberate, but the repetitiveness shows it is. You have no plans to discuss the situation, you have only a direction to say you are right and you want smart people to say Aliens built megalithic structures. I honestly do not know why you think that will happen. Perhaps you are trying to drive people crazy with repeating yourself endlessly with the same nonsense and hoping they will agree just to shut you up? Is that it?
As long as you assault logic and make up your own facts, you will have opposition from people who can think.



That is the case, just your perspective is deliberately skewed. And Oniomancer, Harte, Seeder, S2F all have proven it to you with far better evidence that your imaginative musings could ever hope to so much as come close to.

I'm not a psychologist nor do I claim to have had any training in that field, but even to a lay person it appears that zoser may be suffering from cognitive dissonance. In nearly every one of his posts he openly displays an inability or unwillingness to even consider any explanation or information that conflicts with his assumptions and beliefs. The only way he can cope with this is to dismiss any rational reply and accept any outlandish claim that he can shoehorn into his personal beliefs.

On the other hand, he may simply be trolling for attention, and he's come to the wrong conclusion that all of the informative replies are solely for his benefit.

Personally, I don't care whether my observations above are correct or not. What I do find offensive are the racist undertones in most of the AA proponents claims. It may be subtle, hidden by the capricious song and dance of pseudoscience, but it's definitely there. And that is why I refuse to participate seriously in any discussion regarding this subject.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:20 AM

View PosttheSOURCE, on 15 February 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

I'm not a psychologist nor do I claim to have had any training in that field, but even to a lay person it appears that zoser may be suffering from cognitive dissonance. In nearly every one of his posts he openly displays an inability or unwillingness to even consider any explanation or information that conflicts with his assumptions and beliefs. The only way he can cope with this is to dismiss any rational reply and accept any outlandish claim that he can shoehorn into his personal beliefs.

On the other hand, he may simply be trolling for attention, and he's come to the wrong conclusion that all of the informative replies are solely for his benefit.

Personally, I don't care whether my observations above are correct or not. What I do find offensive are the racist undertones in most of the AA proponents claims. It may be subtle, hidden by the capricious song and dance of pseudoscience, but it's definitely there. And that is why I refuse to participate seriously in any discussion regarding this subject.

You are an insightful person my friend. And quite an inspiration.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:37 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 14 February 2013 - 11:03 PM, said:



That is the case, just your perspective is deliberately skewed.  .
I reckon your are the skewed one here mate


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:46 AM

View PostZeta Reticulum, on 15 February 2013 - 07:37 AM, said:

I reckon your are the skewed one here mate
He may be blunt, but he's the one taking into account the professionally uncovered and evaluated evidence not the flights of imagination and creativity that are many fringe theories.

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