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[Abramelin]

zoser, on 24 February 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

No ordinary earthquake produced that kind of disaster and you know it.

Fragments from that area can be found a mile away or more.

According to visitors to the area fragments of those blocks are scattered about like seeds.

It was a major event.  Look at pictures of the site.

Earthquake?

An extremely severe one, or more likely a flood of biblical proportions.

People would have know about that in NewYork never mind a dozen miles away.

No ordinary earthquake, but the area is known for many heavy earthquakes, and the strongest earthquake ever recorded was in Chile, 1960 (9.5 on the Richter scale). People were even killed on the other side of the Pacific.

These people have experienced many earthquakes and many strong ones throughout history. You should see the effect of some of them on the coast or on the mountains. They are used to it but of course not happy with it.

[danielost]

Wearer of Hats, on 25 February 2013 - 01:21 AM, said:

the Flood is said to have killed all men except those of Noah's family.
so there could have been a nillion different types of man before the flood, but after it there was one. Noah's mob.
So if you accept the flood as fact, then any post-Deluvian humanity would be from Noah's stock. Pre-Deluvian is anoth matter, but Puma Punka etc are all realitvely modern and certainly "post-Flood".

I know about Noah, I used abraham because you mentioned Moses and the bible deals with isrilites mostly.

You could be correct, but the bible only talkes about Adam.

[third_eye]

danielost, on 25 February 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

I know about Noah, I used abraham because you mentioned Moses and the bible deals with isrilites mostly.

You could be correct, but the bible only talkes about Adam.

... and blaming Eve

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

danielost, on 25 February 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

I know about Noah, I used abraham because you mentioned Moses and the bible deals with isrilites mostly.

You could be correct, but the bible only talkes about Adam.

eading between the lines gives us "tribes" who aren't like Adam and Eve, bu they all die in the Flood.

[danielost]

Wearer of Hats, on 25 February 2013 - 07:52 AM, said:

eading between the lines gives us "tribes" who aren't like Adam and Eve, bu they all die in the Flood.

Actually, the bible makes a point that cains tribe survived the flood.  One of Noah's daughter-in-laws was a cainenite.

[TheSearcher]

I still don't understand why people still believe EVD, the man is a self confessed liar and fraud, who had no compunction fabricating evidence or plainly lying about certain facts. He himself admitted making some of the stories up.
In the wiki page, the list or errors, admitted lies and frauds, etc, is longer than the life history part. In this article, there is an interview of him and also a NOVA documentary, where he himself admits that a lot of his writings are plain lies or grossly exaggerated. I did also find the elusive playboy article, where he admits to some more fraud.

Oh and I found this little thing, the largest stone ever moved by man, is the thunder stone (found in Lakhta, 6 km inland from the Gulf of Finland in 1768), which now serves as pedestal for the Bronze Horseman statue on the  Senate Square in Saint Petersburg .
It was moved during winter, when the ground was frozen. They then dragged the large stone over the frozen ground to the sea for shipment and transport to the city. The labour was done entirely by humans; no animals or machines were used in bringing the stone from the original site to the Senate Square.
If you can read french, read the bit here.

[Abramelin]

The Thunderstone has already been mentioned, Searcher.

But to no avail....

[Harte]

zoser, on 24 February 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

The site in ruins.  It's been ruined for millenia.  

Half of it is still buried under mud.

Puma Punku that is.  Not Tiwanaku.

Neither was it constructed by pot smoking indians whose ultimate art was tapestry and the teepee.

Yes, they were too brown to be able to do anything that whitey can do.

Harte

[Myles]

zoser, on 24 February 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

That no one recalls the build or the demise is too fantastic to be credible.

Sorry but it just is the case.

Some wag would surely have some story or legend.

Yet there is nothing.

You are so far out there.   Ask most people in central US if they know of the massive earthquake that hit in 1811 and 1812.   It rocked 50,000 square miles.    The Mississippi had waves flowing north.  Yet without doing research, no-one knows of this just 200 years later.  
You are hitching your wagon to the wrong thoughts.

[Myles]

zoser, on 24 February 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

Good enough to do accurate designs with?

Sounds like science fiction to me.

Also Mr O is there a precedent anywhere in history for Indians producing architecture to the precision?

I'll let you have a chew on that for a while.

Once again he proves he was lying about his engineering background.

[TheSearcher]

Abramelin, on 25 February 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

The Thunderstone has already been mentioned, Searcher.

But to no avail....

Dammit.....then again, after 509 pages, one cannot expect anybody to remember all the things said or retorted.
I still hold it to Humanity 1 - Soft Stone Boy 0.
1200 ton blocks were moved by manual labor, evidence is given. Logistics are given. Just listen to the stones, they tell the story......

Myles, on 25 February 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

Once again he proves he was lying about his engineering background.

Doesn't really surprise anybody I bet.....

[third_eye]

Harte, on 25 February 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

Yes, they were too brown to be able to do anything that whitey can do.

Harte

'greenie' Mr HArte, they were too brown to be able to do anything that greenie can do, or wuz it bluey?

[scowl]

zoser, on 24 February 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

Very doubtful that the AA hypothesis is doing anything but escalating.

You must be young or you weren't paying attention back in the 70's. That's when convicted criminal Von Daniken got rich writing "Chariots of the Gods". Millions of people bought this nonsense and believed that aliens in space suits flew to Earth from distant stars using chemically propelled rockets, crudely stacked rocks on top of each other, and then left. The commercial success of this book led to other books with even more incredible claims, several movies, and a popular syndicated television series called "In Search Of...".

At least back then we had some excuses. The mainstream media ate this stuff up and didn't bother talking to actual archeologists who had dull explanations for most of Von Daniken's astounding claims. Some of the mysteries in the book really were mysteries at the time and it took years of actual investigation to explain them. We were still excited about having landed on the Moon. The Chariots of the Gods movie said with no doubt that men would be landing on Mars by the end of the century so interstellar travel seemed pretty likely in a hundred years. The Ancient Astronauts idea didn't seem that crazy.

But today there is no excuse for any educated person to believe these claims. Most of armchair investigator Von Daniken's claims were shattered by existing evidence and other claims became jokes of muddled thinking (aliens travelling from a distant star wouldn't need artificial landmarks to know where to land!). The rest of his claims were eventually explained by archaeologists investigating the claims.

People now know that ancient humans were just as smart as we are. They figured out how to build things using techniques that we no longer use. These days anyone who claims that aliens must have built something is admitting they're ignorant of what humans can do.

[Slave2Fate]

scowl, on 25 February 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

People now know that ancient humans were just as smart as we are. They figured out how to build things using techniques that we no longer use. These days anyone who claims that aliens must have built something is admitting they're ignorant of what humans can do.

^ This.

I believe that the problem solving skills of ancient cultures possibly surpassed our own today. Necessity is the mother of invention after all. The cognitive and reasoning abilities of ancient cultures is every bit as good then as it is in us today. The people who believe that the ancients sat around in the mud and grunted at each other (metaphorically speaking) are completely clueless and more than a little insulting.

Edited by Slave2Fate, 25 February 2013 - 05:55 PM.

[seeder]

so what will it be this evening then? Shall we say for certainty,. more re-posts of pics of zosers walls? And circular arguments going over all the old ground again. No new evidence, in fact there has NEVER been any evidence but that wont stop him.

NO mention of ancient aliens. Complete ignoring of the skeptics posts. Claims that there are 'numerous experts' who now believe this is the way it is. Dismissal of earthquakes, tidal waves, lightening storms, tsunamis, you know things that destroy stuff on earth,  because a nuclear bomb 'actually'  ruined the site even though they had lazers but they mustn't have been strong enough so it was nuked. (Did he forget the theory that when the aliens ship blasted off it actually blew the walls down too?)

Not to mention we KNOW the site was pillaged for its stones to be made into houses elsewhere, and this also is a reason some rocks are found a long way off, people got tired of dragging them and prolly left them where they got tired

Then at some point when he watches another segment of the AA series, or gets an update off Foresters FB page - that it will be proudly posted,  like that will clinch it for everyone.

Have I missed anything else that will happen on the never ending groundhog days we spend here?





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Edited by seeder, 25 February 2013 - 06:11 PM.