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#1    White Crane Feather

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:59 PM

So I am a leader in my community, I own a business that puts me in a highy respect leadership position. I have been feeling a little... Well lonely lately. I want to be apart of something that shares my passion for personal development, has people that i can look up to and aspire Towords.... I miss that. The masons seem like a good fit.

Any masons here that might chime in?

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:07 AM

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A friend of mines Uncle was a freemason.He talked very highly of him, and said he loved it....I thought you had to be " invited " into it?

And to those wondering, nothing involving secret societies, as Seeker says, he wants to help the community, and they do that.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:10 AM

FWIW, I know how you feel, I kind of miss the comradere I had when I was in the Boys' Brigade. But Sakari's right, you need to be invited and then vetted.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:15 AM

Not a Mason, but the father of a good friend was a Mason before he passed on and she thinks very highly of his understanding of life, our place in the scheme of things et al.

She is also a fellow gnostic and her father's life teachings to her parallel the understanding we have of life through gnosis.

It is an opportunity for gaining information, always a good thing, and as it welcomes all denominations I think it is a great opportunity to understand wisdom in a broad sense through understanding the wisdom teachings of other denominations and cultures.

Edit to add: perhaps you do need to be invited but I don't see what harm it would do to ask them how one might come to be invited ....

Edited by libstaK, 18 November 2012 - 12:17 AM.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:16 AM

My father was a mason for about 30 years and loved the community service aspect of it as well as the fellowship.  Good luck if you join.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:46 AM

View PostlibstaK, on 18 November 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:



Edit to add: perhaps you do need to be invited but I don't see what harm it would do to ask them how one might come to be invited ....

Never know till you try.... :tu:

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:50 AM

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has people that i can look up to and aspire Towords

Be careful buddy.
You don't need to draw that kind of thing from the external when you are capable of going within, which you are.

Before you do anything, question what is making you feel this.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 01:22 AM

View PostSakari, on 18 November 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

Never know till you try.... :tu:

View PostSakari, on 18 November 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Seekr,

A friend of mines Uncle was a freemason.He talked very highly of him, and said he loved it....I thought you had to be " invited " into it?

And to those wondering, nothing involving secret societies, as Seeker says, he wants to help the community, and they do that.

My step dad was a mason, from the type of lodge he was a part of, it was like you said. Pretty much a way of loads of business men to help each other out and an excuse to go out for a meal and have good drink. However I have heard of bad lodges, that are rather corrupt. Especially with power etc. Even heard some pretty nasty things towards 1 lodge. I won't say who or where as it's not my place and don't 100% know the truth. I do know the wives at that lodge where treated like they are not equals and the wives suspected there was "rituals" taking place which involved homosexual practices and young boys as well. (not saying there is anything wrong with being gay, but using it for rituals is weird when you are a married man and well young boys is just sick and twisted)

Also yes you have to be invited.

View PostbLu3 de 3n3rgy, on 18 November 2012 - 12:50 AM, said:

Be careful buddy.
You don't need to draw that kind of thing from the external when you are capable of going within, which you are.

Before you do anything, question what is making you feel this.


Good advice. :tu:

Edited by Coffey, 18 November 2012 - 01:31 AM.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 01:36 AM

Extending on what Coffey says, a lot is coming out in the UK about ritualistic stuff involving children, not all lodges, but some have a lot to answer for...and heck if you really want to know more go research Jimmy Saville. It is just not true to say that there is no connection to secret societies etc.

Edited by bLu3 de 3n3rgy, 18 November 2012 - 01:36 AM.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:32 AM

View PostbLu3 de 3n3rgy, on 18 November 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

Extending on what Coffey says, a lot is coming out in the UK about ritualistic stuff involving children, not all lodges, but some have a lot to answer for...and heck if you really want to know more go research Jimmy Saville. It is just not true to say that there is no connection to secret societies etc.
Was Jimmy Saville a mason? The only things I found that tries to answer that question comes from forums like Stormfront, Above Top Secret and David Icke. I'd rather have it come from a more mainstream source before reaching any conclusions.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:40 AM

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View PostCoffey, on 18 November 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

My step dad was a mason, from the type of lodge he was a part of, it was like you said. Pretty much a way of loads of business men to help each other out and an excuse to go out for a meal and have good drink. However I have heard of bad lodges, that are rather corrupt. Especially with power etc. Even heard some pretty nasty things towards 1 lodge. I won't say who or where as it's not my place and don't 100% know the truth. I do know the wives at that lodge where treated like they are not equals and the wives suspected there was "rituals" taking place which involved homosexual practices and young boys as well. (not saying there is anything wrong with being gay, but using it for rituals is weird when you are a married man and well young boys is just sick and twisted)

Also yes you have to be invited.




Good advice. :tu:

View PostbLu3 de 3n3rgy, on 18 November 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

Extending on what Coffey says, a lot is coming out in the UK about ritualistic stuff involving children, not all lodges, but some have a lot to answer for...and heck if you really want to know more go research Jimmy Saville. It is just not true to say that there is no connection to secret societies etc.



See what you started Seeker :)


As for rituals, especially regarding children, that is a pretty big accusation to make from anyone....Any investigations involved in this, or just rumors?

I would think at least 1 or 2 of the kids would have pressed charges......


WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS TO JOIN THE MASONS?
The person who wants to join Freemasonry must be a man (it's a fraternity), sound in body and mind, who believes in God, is at least the minimum age required by Masonry in his state, and has a good reputation. (Incidentally, the "sound in body" requirement -- which comes from the stonemasons of the Middle Ages -- doesn't mean that a physically challenged man cannot be a Mason; many are).

Those are the only "formal" requirements. But there are others, not so formal. He should believe in helping others. He should believe there is more to life than pleasure and money. He should be willing to respect the opinions of others. And he should want to grow and develop as a human being.

HOW DOES A MAN BECOME A FREEMASON?
Some men are surprised that no one has ever asked them to become a Mason. They may even feel that the Masons in their town don't think they are "good enough" to join. But it doesn't work that way. For hundreds of years, Masons have been forbidden to ask others to join the fraternity. We can talk to friends about Freemasonry. We can tell them about what Freemasonry does. We can tell them why we enjoy it. But we can't ask, much less pressure, anyone to join.

There's a good reason for that. It isn't that we're trying to be exclusive. But becoming a Mason is a very serious thing. Joining Freemasonry is making a permanent life commitment to live in certain ways. We've listed most of them above -- to live with honor and integrity, to be willing to share with and care about others, to trust each other, and to place ultimate trust in God. No one should be "talked into" making such a decision.

So, when a man decides he wants to be a Freemasonry Mason, he asks a Mason for a petition or application. He fills it out and gives it to the Mason, and that Mason takes it to the local lodge. The Master of the lodge will appoint a committee to visit with the man and his family, find out a little about him and why he wants to become a member of the Masons, tell him and his family about Freeasonry, and answer their questions. The committee reports to the lodge, and the lodge votes on the petition. If the vote is affirmative -- and it usually is -- the lodge will contact the man to set the date for the Entered Apprentice Degree. When the person has completed all three degrees, he is a Master Mason and a full member of the Freemasonry fraternity.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:48 AM

If you are wanting to help your community why not do some volunteer work at your local hospital or charity.  I'm not a club joiner myself and will not take any oath that puts them before my family or country but I will volunteer my time.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 03:16 AM

View PostLikely Guy, on 18 November 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

Was Jimmy Saville a mason? The only things I found that tries to answer that question comes from forums like Stormfront, Above Top Secret and David Icke. I'd rather have it come from a more mainstream source before reaching any conclusions.

Yeah fair enough, i wasn't calling JS anything btw I was just saying do the research and connect the dots. Someone acting on this scale for so long ( decades ) who had involvements with networks of people who knew and facilitated it as well helped to keep it secret. I'm not saying anything that hasn't been reported in the media about it. But with everything coming out in the UK about his dealings and connections, and yes with 300 alleged child abuse cases reported, which are being investigated and several celebrities and what not interviewed by the police. As well the BBC being swayed to do their own enquiries for why something like this went on so long, and kept a secret.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:25 AM

View PostbLu3 de 3n3rgy, on 18 November 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:

Yeah fair enough, i wasn't calling JS anything btw I was just saying do the research and connect the dots. Someone acting on this scale for so long ( decades ) who had involvements with networks of people who knew and facilitated it as well helped to keep it secret. I'm not saying anything that hasn't been reported in the media about it. But with everything coming out in the UK about his dealings and connections, and yes with 300 alleged child abuse cases reported, which are being investigated and several celebrities and what not interviewed by the police. As well the BBC being swayed to do their own enquiries for why something like this went on so long, and kept a secret.
Catholic church, boy scouts, etc. I appreciate your points. I just find them off topic. :)





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