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[_Only]

freetoroam, on 18 November 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

OK, well lets embrace other cultures and I say we have a time in September where we all abstain from alcohol and pork in the day and binge on it at night, see how that goes down, very nice I would say


We know, its Yule.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. What do those things have to do with the story?

[freetoroam]

Artaxerxes, on 18 November 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

The divisiveness we experience over Christmas is just another way for us to experience duality and separation.

Life is one big long lesson in what it means and how it feels to be separate.  From the moment we are born and separate from our our mothers till the day we die and our deaths become a lesson in separation to the loved ones we leave behind.

Religion, politics, race, culture, language, dialects, gender, sexual orientation, wealth, height and weight, socio-economic status, there are a plethora of things that we experience separation on.  This place we live in now is the place of separation and the other side, the place we call heaven is the place of connectedness and oneness.  We are here simply to learn the lessons that can't be learned in heaven.

Life has to be the way it is in order to imprint on the soul what it means and how it feels to be separate, what time and space look and feel like, and make memories of what it was like to live in a 3 dimensional + 1 time universe.

you may or may not have noticed, but there are a few of us on here who do not believe in heaven.
The only lesson which some of us have learned is...do not follow a religion. I do not feel separated, but I have seen that most wars thoughout history has been caused over religion, its still going on today.....this is not something i will ever follow and if it means I am separated from it...good, i want no part of it.

[freetoroam]

_Only, on 18 November 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. What do those things have to do with the story?

Just an example of what has happened through out the years with the hijacking of peoples annual celebrations and turning them into their own and forgetting the ones who started it in the first place.

Edited by freetoroam, 18 November 2012 - 10:14 PM.

[Odin11]

Ok, I don’t get it. So a city allows Christians, and others, to put up displays in a public park. One year an Atheist puts one up; Christians throw a hissy fit. Two years later, more Atheists put up displays (won in the lottery process used to award booths, fair and square); Christians throw an even bigger hissy fit and vandalized most of the signs. So the city stops doing it all together. And somehow it’s the Atheists fault? Sounds more like it’s the Christian’s hissy fits and vandalism that made them stop doing it.

Edited by Odin11, 18 November 2012 - 10:21 PM.

[Diablo Blanco]

Taylor Reints, on 18 November 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

Funny story: "The date of December 25th comes from Rome and was a celebration of the Italic god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god. This was done long before the birth of Jesus. It was noted by the pre-Christian Romans and other pagans, that daylight began to increase after December 22nd, when they assumed that the sun god died. These ancients believed that the sun god rose from the dead three days later as the new-born and venerable sun." http://www.lasttrump...cts/tract3.html

I just wanted to elaborate on your post if I may,
And in that Roman calendar December was the tenth month of the year as decem in latin means ten. The Roman
calendar began on what we now call  March 25th. Making march the 1st month, april the 2nd month, may the 3rd
month, june the 4th month, july the 5th month, august the 6th month,
SEPTEMber the 7th month (as septem in
latin is seven)  gregorian calendar it is the 9th month), OCTOber the 8th month (as octo in latin means eight)
gregorian calendar it is the 10th month), NOVEMber the 9th month (as novem in latin means nine) gregorian
calendar it is the 11th month), and finally DECEMber the 10th month (as decem in latin means ten) gregorian
calendar it is the 12th month).

So the sun god s' energy begins to "create" vegetation for 6 months at the spring equinox (march ) . and on the 7th
month, the fall equinox  (september) libra the scales or balance),  the sun god dips below the equator and he appears to be resting as his energy becomes weak and  vegetation starts to wither and die. ( the sun god jesus cursing the fig tree causing it to wither and
die comes to mind).

Here we have the year divided, 6 months of beneficient suns energy (good), and 6 months of weak sun energy
marked by the constellation Libra (the scales), the 7th month of the year, whereas vegetation or crops if you will, die.
(evil). (Halloween in symbolic of this death and is 40 days after the autumnal equinox). (40 days after the spring
equinox is May Day or if we go 40 days passed march 25th we have cinco de mayo).

[Beckys_Mom]

Odin11, on 18 November 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

Ok, I don’t get it. So a city allows Christians, and others, to put up displays in a public park. One year an Atheist puts one up; Christians throw a hissy fit. Two years later, more Atheists put up displays (won in the lottery process used to award booths, fair and square); Christians throw an even bigger hissy fit and vandalized most of the signs. So the city stops doing it all together. And somehow it’s the Atheists fault? Sounds more like it’s the Christian’s hissy fits and vandalism that made them stop doing it.

Because they love thy neighbor  so  very much  ..And using angry throwing the hissy fits.. they must think that is what Jesus would do !!

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 18 November 2012 - 10:49 PM.

[Eldorado]

Odin11, on 18 November 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

Ok, I don’t get it. So a city allows Christians, and others, to put up displays in a public park. One year an Atheist puts one up; Christians throw a hissy fit. Two years later, more Atheists put up displays (won in the lottery process used to award booths, fair and square); Christians throw an even bigger hissy fit and vandalized most of the signs. So the city stops doing it all together. And somehow it’s the Atheists fault? Sounds more like it’s the Christian’s hissy fits and vandalism that made them stop doing it.

Sound more like these "atheists" were only out to try and spoil Christmas for Christians.  Spiteful, childish behaviour that calls into question their definition of "tolerance".
Just like all "atheists", they believe they have superior intelligence to everyone who believes in a deity.  That'll be about 75% of the world's population.  Talk about heads up backsides?

Edited by Eldorado, 18 November 2012 - 11:03 PM.

[freetoroam]

Eldorado, on 18 November 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Sound more like these "atheists" were only out to try and spoil Christmas for Christians.  Spiteful, childish behaviour that calls into question their definition of "tolerance".
Just like all "atheists", they believe they have superior intelligence to everyone who believes in a deity.  That'll be about 75% of the world's population.  Talk about heads up backsides?

That`s not a very "tolerant" post from you. are you a christian perhaps?!!

[ouija ouija]

Eldorado, on 18 November 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Just like ALL "atheists", they believe they have superior intelligence to everyone who believes in a deity.  That'll be about 75% of the world's population.  Talk about heads up backsides?

'ALL'? Oh come on El!

[Eldorado]

freetoroam, on 18 November 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

That`s not a very "tolerant" post from you. are you a christian perhaps?!!

I hope so.  Why is my post intolerant?  I never said they have no right to do what they do, merely that they are showing hypocrisy, as do very many religious folks.  Am I not entitled to this mere opinion?

[Eldorado]

ouija ouija, on 18 November 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

'ALL'? Oh come on El!

Fair enough.  About 99% believe they are superior in intelligence.

[freetoroam]

Eldorado, on 18 November 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

I hope so.  Why is my post intolerant?  I never said they have no right to do what they do, merely that they are showing hypocrisy, as do very many religious folks.  Am I not entitled to this mere opinion?

Ofcourse you are entitled, you crack on and I agree many religious folk are hypocrites.

(puts head back up backside)

[Eldorado]

freetoroam, on 18 November 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

Ofcourse you are entitled, you crack on and I agree many religious folk are hypocrites.

(puts head back up backside)

I take it from that you believe there are no "atheists" who are hypocrites and who just love to annoy the religious?
There are some on this forum for whom it would appear to be their raison d'etre.

Edited by Eldorado, 18 November 2012 - 11:30 PM.

[freetoroam]

Eldorado, on 18 November 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

I take it from that you believe there are no "atheists" who are hypocrites and who just love to annoy the religious?
There are some on this forum for whom it would appear to be their raison d'etre.

Unless the "athiest" you are talking about goes to church every sunday or reads the bible on a regular basis, then no, not really.

[ranrod]

Odin11, on 18 November 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

Ok, I don’t get it. So a city allows Christians, and others, to put up displays in a public park. One year an Atheist puts one up; Christians throw a hissy fit. Two years later, more Atheists put up displays (won in the lottery process used to award booths, fair and square); Christians throw an even bigger hissy fit and vandalized most of the signs. So the city stops doing it all together. And somehow it’s the Atheists fault? Sounds more like it’s the Christian’s hissy fits and vandalism that made them stop doing it.

My question is why did Atheists feel the need to publicly ridicule the Christians that had been part of that event for over 50 years?  Why do they care?  Are they actively trying to promote Atheism, deter Christianity, or suppress religious expression?  As a non-believer I couldn't care less what believers want to do.  When a little girl tells you they are behaving good so she gets presents from Santa Claus, do you feel compelled to ridicule her?  Probably not.  Let her have her fun, right?