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‘Secession is a deeply American principle’


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#1    acidhead

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:49 AM

Ron Paul: ‘Secession is a deeply American principle’


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By KEVIN CIRILLI | 11/19/12 4:43 PM EST



Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday that secession was a “deeply American principle,” amid a growing number of people petitioning the White House to let their states secede from the U.S.

“Secession is a deeply American principle. This country was born through secession. Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those ‘traitors’ became our country’s greatest patriots,” the former presidential candidate wrote in a post on his House website. “There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.”



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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:05 AM

"There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.  That is what our Revolutionary War was all about and today our own federal government is vastly overstepping its constitutional bounds with no signs of reform.  In fact, the recent election only further entrenched the status quo.  If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.

Consider the ballot measures that passed in Colorado and Washington state regarding marijuana laws.  The people in those states have clearly indicated that they are ready to try something different where drug policy is concerned, yet they will still face a tremendous threat from the federal government.  In California, the Feds have been arresting peaceful medical marijuana users and raiding dispensaries that state and local governments have sanctioned. This shouldn’t happen in a free country.

It remains to be seen what will happen in states that are refusing to comply with the deeply unpopular mandates of Obamacare by not setting up healthcare exchanges.  It appears the Federal government will not respect those decisions either.

In a free country, governments derive their power from the consent of the governed. When the people have very clearly withdrawn their consent for a law, the discussion should be over.  If the Feds refuse to accept that and continue to run roughshod over the people, at what point do we acknowledge that that is not freedom anymore?  At what point should the people dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an increasingly tyrannical and oppressive federal government?  And if people or states are not free to leave the United States as a last resort, can they really think of themselves as free?

If a people cannot secede from an oppressive government, they cannot truly be considered free."

- Ron Paul

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:46 AM

I  always suspected that his ultimate goal was to split up the US of A.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:13 AM

Lol so we're dragging out the corpse of Ron Paul again?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:44 AM

Id rather have a corpse then what we do have. Id pick a dead Ron Paul over a living 0bama any day.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:41 AM

"In a free country, governments derive their power from the consent of the governed. When the people have very clearly withdrawn their consent for a law, the discussion should be over. If the Feds refuse to accept that and continue to run roughshod over the people, at what point do we acknowledge that that is not freedom anymore? At what point should the people dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an increasingly tyrannical and oppressive federal government? And if people or states are not free to leave the United States as a last resort, can they really think of themselves as free?"

this paragraph says it all :yes:

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:24 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 20 November 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:

I  always suspected that his ultimate goal was to split up the US of A.


No you didnt. And even if you did, you are wrong. He has done everything in his power to restore freedom for all. That was always the goal. Its now been shifted to last resort mode. Besides what split? Every state in the union is in on this to some degree.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:36 PM

-Break away from Britain; establish America.
-Southern states break away; form Confederacy; get beaten.

Very deep Paul, a very deep American principle indeed.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:43 PM

View PostHasina, on 20 November 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

-Break away from Britain; establish America.
-Southern states break away; form Confederacy; get beaten.

Very deep Paul, a very deep American principle indeed.

Considering its directly written in the bill of rights, Id say it is very deep indeed. Problem is people are just to dumb to hold on to thier rights

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:48 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 20 November 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:



Considering its directly written in the bill of rights, Id say it is very deep indeed. Problem is people are just to dumb to hold on to thier rights
I know this, but it seems like secession is more like a security clause then a principle. You can't just pull out the word 'secession' just because your party lost and you don't like the other guy, which is exactly what all this 'secession' talk is, whining, not becaue the government is actually a tyrannical monster, no, it's because they didn't get their monster into office.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:53 PM

View PostHasina, on 20 November 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

I know this, but it seems like secession is more like a security clause then a principle. You can't just pull out the word 'secession' just because your party lost and you don't like the other guy, which is exactly what all this 'secession' talk is, whining, not becaue the government is actually a tyrannical monster, no, it's because they didn't get their monster into office.
Folks like Ron Paul are pulling out the word secession, cause this government has abandoned every single thing this country was founded on. If you think Ron Paul wanted Romney to win, and wouldnt be talking about secession if he had, then you dont know anything about him.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:56 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 20 November 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:


Folks like Ron Paul are pulling out the word secession, cause this government has abandoned every single thing this country was founded on. If you think Ron Paul wanted Romney to win, and wouldnt be talking about secession if he had, then you dont know anything about him.
Was he talking about it the last time he ran? What makes this election cycle so special? I've also noticed, anytime I've disagreed with a Ron Paul position, a supporter of his will always say 'you don't know anything about his position'. Sure, the wool's over my eyes and Paul's got the solution. I think Paul's just as much of a political monster as Obama and Romney, he keeps his finger to the pulse and knows what people want to hear and knows what his supporters will like to hear; just like any other political leader.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:03 PM

My problem is this, you can't be part of the government, run for the government, hope to improve things by working in and with the government, and then go off on 'oh secession's a American principle'. Yes, it should be a protected principle for when it's needed, but the government shouldn't advocate for or against it. Especially a politician. Secession is a principle for the ordinary citizen, the ones who feel like they have absolutely no representation in the country. Those petitions? I pay them more mind and give them more respect then I do for a politician saying something.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:16 PM

The last gasps of a dying political party.

You lot really are terrible losers. And with all that experience. Hmm.


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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:16 PM

View PostHasina, on 20 November 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Was he talking about it the last time he ran? What makes this election cycle so special? I've also noticed, anytime I've disagreed with a Ron Paul position, a supporter of his will always say 'you don't know anything about his position'. Sure, the wool's over my eyes and Paul's got the solution. I think Paul's just as much of a political monster as Obama and Romney, he keeps his finger to the pulse and knows what people want to hear and knows what his supporters will like to hear; just like any other political leader.

Well you are free to think whatever you want. Personaly I judge people based on what they have done. And for over 30 years he has voted on the side of liberty without fail. He is the only guy in government whos actions fall directly in line with what he's said.

How can you not see what makes this election cycle special? We have fallen over every cliff. Freedom stripping legislation is now just the norm. And we are about to fall off a economic cliff thats going to make the depression look like a good timke. And no one in power seems to have the slightest clue what to do.

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